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10th Feb 2012, 5:05 PM #21
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MLai:This guy's wearing a cowboy hat so I assume he's in or around Texas. Down there, they have a shotgun hanging on the back window of the pickup truck. So shooting a laptop is the same as throwing it out the window. I mean hell, this guy has hollow-points for his handgun. It's obvious the gun is as common a tool to him as his drill.

My dad threw my Nintendo down the stair once. Is that any less drastic than shooting it? Why is it drastic just because there's a gun involved? There was no one around. He was firing down at the ground.


So, how long did you reside in the state of Texas?
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10th Feb 2012, 7:09 PM #22
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I was waiting for this to show up here!

I myself believe the daughter crossed the line when she:
A. called their family friend the "cleaning lady"
B. when she said "I can't wait til you can't wipe your own ass and need me to do it for you - and I wont be anywhere near you" or whatever

Those two things really got to me, and though I may not have shot my own daughter's laptop in response to her ridiculously offensive tirade - I support his choice to do so.
I mean how you gonna beef up your girl's computer situation and she just gonna turn around and complain about some first world problems.
GIRL, PLEASE!

Anyway, Maybe not the best parenting, but god dammit do I love his justice on ungrateful mcgee.
"You're gonna pay me back for every shot"

But Pops - Get your own coffee for reals.
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10th Feb 2012, 10:11 PM #23
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There probably wouldn't even be a discussion on this if he just smash the laptop with a hammer or something else. But bring guns into it and suddenly "Naughty naughty".

Also, I improve the original video with Harmonica's theme from Once Upon A Time In The West
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10th Feb 2012, 10:52 PM #24
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In my opinion, the laptop shooting was way out of hand but sometimes, you have to be a little scrict with kids like that. It's crazy how so many kids think that their parents are supposed to do all the work and the kids don't have to do anything. In my case, I am grateful for my parents making me do work around the house. It teached me responsibility and gratefulness for all the hard work my parents have done for me.
Yes, I think shooting the laptop was a little extreme, but sometimes, the parents can't handle extreme amounts of disrespect. The father deserves some props for what he did, even though it was a little crazy.
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10th Feb 2012, 11:03 PM #25
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This is such an isolated, unique case of parenting that it fails to really shed light on what everyone here does as parents. I'm more interested in us as a community, rather than this man I've never heard of before.

What are some of y'alls biggest challenges as parents? What are some of the creative ways you've learned to teach your children a lesson? What are some things that your family struggles with? What are some great memories that you're really proud of?

For those of you who don't have kids, at least you grew up as someone else's child. You know how this system works! So tell us -- what was something your parents did that drove you crazy? What was something they did they you really liked? Have you ever seen or thought of something that you'd really like to do with your own kids someday?
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11th Feb 2012, 3:59 AM #26
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I don't know how some of yous are raised but where I'm from you don't talk about your father like that where other ppl (and him) can see it. In the old days you can be disowned for that.

So, how long did you reside in the state of Texas?

I have had several colleagues who are from the "deep South". And Alaska (spiritually close to Texas, lol). I love those guys; they're great fun. And Russians.

There probably wouldn't even be a discussion on this if he just smash the laptop with a hammer or something else. But bring guns into it and suddenly "Naughty naughty".

Exactly.
Ppl who balk are pretty much Northern city-slickers who's only ever seen a gun IRL when a cop walks by them.
11th Feb 2012, 4:02 AM #27
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MLai:
Ppl who balk are pretty much Northern city-slickers who's only ever seen a gun IRL when a cop walks by them.



.....Oooorrrr maybe they are trained snipers who used to work in the guard towers at a maximum security prison and also happen to be married to a Deputy Sheriff. Oh, and live in the deep south.

Just sayin'.


This is seriously not a "parenting" debate but a "gun safety and awareness" debate. :I

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[QUOTE=THE GREATEST JOKE IN THE UNIVERSE]@SgtBravo He's an IT worker bud, [QUOTE]

First it is a weapon, not a tool. A tool is a socket wrench or a tanker's bar. Weapons are to be used for one thing: to kill. They don't care who they kill, the individual using the weapon is responsible for that.

Using a weapon to shoot a laptop to teach your child a lesson teaches that it's okay to use a pistol for something other than killing and that isn't the proper respect for that weapon.

Or at least that's the only reason I was taught to ever use a weapon from a 9mm to that 70 tons of intimidation known as an M1A1 Abrams.

I nearly shattered my eardrum with a starter's pistol when I was 14. I have been shot at and had a gun pointed at me by someone casually waving one around and then was freaked out by the range safty NCOs all pointing their weapons as the guy, who was right next to me. That really happens. I took cover. I saw a guy shoot his hand off because he didn't know how to use the safety catch. I saw another one get his thumb sliced in two because he didn't know to keep his thumb down for the slide recoil.

When you've fired a weapon big enough to make your whole world move you learn more respect for them.

I have had entirely too much experience with weapons try to avoid them because killing stuff isn't something I do on a daily basis anymore.
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11th Feb 2012, 4:15 AM #29
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A gun is also a tool for shooting groundhogs that infest your vegetable garden. Or whatever they do down there in Mississippi. And yeah you can shoot your hand off with one. Just like you can chop your hand off while using a chainsaw.

Respect for a dangerous tool is one thing, but it's not just a weapon it's also a tool. Granted, this dad didn't use a hunting rifle, so your statement applies. But not for in general against all firearms in the USA.
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MLai:I don't know how some of yous are raised but where I'm from you don't talk about your father like that where other ppl (and him) can see it. In the old days you can be disowned for that.

So, how long did you reside in the state of Texas?

I have had several colleagues who are from the "deep South". And Alaska (spiritually close to Texas, lol). I love those guys; they're great fun. And Russians.

There probably wouldn't even be a discussion on this if he just smash the laptop with a hammer or something else. But bring guns into it and suddenly "Naughty naughty".

Exactly.
Ppl who balk are pretty much Northern city-slickers who's only ever seen a gun IRL when a cop walks by them.


So, how long were you a "Northern city-slicker"?
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11th Feb 2012, 4:54 AM #31
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Me entire life, boyo.
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sgtbravo:Using a weapon to shoot a laptop to teach your child a lesson teaches that it's okay to use a pistol for something other than killing and that isn't the proper respect for that weapon.


so by this logic shooting sports are bad right?
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11th Feb 2012, 5:45 AM #33
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MLai:Me entire life, boyo.


Born and raised northern Ohio.
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11th Feb 2012, 9:28 AM #34
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Your point being, Unka John? :)
11th Feb 2012, 9:28 AM #35
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11th Feb 2012, 10:05 AM #36
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My biggest fear before I watched this video was that he was going to shoot the monitor while it was open. I'm still pretty squeamish at the idea of imparting large amounts of force on an object with lots of semi-loose metal, plastic, and glass at that kind of range. People don't appreciate the kinds of irreparable damage glass will do to their eye given the slightest opportunity.

On that note this is kind of a pointless show. Destroying objects in the sake of discipline has always struck me as silly. There are better, equally permanent uses for these kinds of things. A powerful irony would have been gifting it to the help.
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This kinda all reminds me of the time I whipped out my royal trident and blew up a bunch of my daughters possessions from the human world, including that ugly statue of that guy she loved. From memory it all turned out well.
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MLai:Double post.


Exactly.
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13th Feb 2012, 8:12 PM #39
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Escalation. Parenting wise, this is what i'm all about. I never take anything away from my children that they actually need. Food, clothes and shelter are needs. Love is a need specificaly as much as dicipline is. And you can't have one without the other or else you fuck up the delicate balance that is a parent/child relationship.

Your job as a parent, should you wish to accept it, is to NOT be your child's friend until he becomes a consenting adult. You're not there for thier pleasure, you're there for thier future. You're the manure that will make your children blossom into a strong and independant lifeform. So anything you give your children will be used to become who they'll eventually be. If you give them too much leeway and not enough restraint, they'll be crawling until they die. It's as simple as that.

For a family to function in a learning environment, authority is primordial. The second you let the inmates run the asylum, you fail at your very function as a parent. Children need to learn that escalation works both ways. The more they do as they are told, the more pleasant their lives get to be. The less they do as they are told, the shittier their lives inevitably get. This is simple Cause and Effect 101. This is a basic living fact. They need to learn that very early in their lives or else they'll be pummeled by it the second they try to fly on their own.

Am i a strict parent? I've been called a tyrant depending on the situation. But i don't hesitate for a second to reward my children and explode with enthusiasm when they make me proud. To this day, my kids love me and get a glitter in their eyes when i tell them how proud i am of them. They feel a genuine sense of accomplishment when they have done something right, and that just naturally paves the way of encouragement for them to continue on being example children even when i'm not around to supervise. But when they do something they damn well know they shouldn't, they regret ever getting the idea in the first place. I have never physically hit my children, and i never will because i taught my children to never use physical violence unless it was used in self defense. I'm not about to tell my children one thing and then show them i don't have to abide by it.

Every punishment i ever gave to my children was on the same scale of escalation their acts were on. I use my own judgement to establish how bad of a punishment my children deserve. On my mental chart, utterly destroying my children's material things is an extreme option, but a most definitive one, should they do something so aweful that they deserve to completely loose what they cherish most. Taking it away just so they can get it back is for lesser acts. I won't hesitate taking a 40lbs sledgehammer to my daughter's laptop if say... she had purposely severly harmed someone in any way. But for what his daughter did, i feel shooting up her laptop with a shotgun was a bit much. My children at least have freedom of speech, especially behind my back, so long as they are respectful in my or anybody's face. But that's just my POV, on my own chart. I think he's pushing it. But i guess i do live in Canada so, different strokes for different folks from different burgs.
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