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21st Jul 2012, 1:07 AM #21
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Maybe to understand himself... And that's what I was thinking, Scott.. Last I checked, Joker had green hair... Maybe he was colourblind on top of it all?
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21st Jul 2012, 1:28 AM #22
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It seems the police commissioner made the assumption that he spray painted his hair red to be like the joker. The killer could have just decided to spray paint his hair red because he liked the colour. It is possible that the police commissioner isn't familiar with batman villain hair colour. Or maybe the killer did got it wrong.


Or maybe he got the hair colour right.
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21st Jul 2012, 1:30 AM #23
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As more time and more details emerge, we'll have a better idea how this graduate med student went mad, whether he showed warning signs in the past, etc etc.

Because it's not easy to become a graduate student in neurosciences. You cannot be mal-adjusted all your life (like that Asian kid a year back who dropped out of college very quickly and then went on a shooting spree, and he showed warning signs such as his home videos) and expect to get into that. Something recent must have happened internally.

Ha ha, I love the USA where as an average citizen, you can get f'ing assault rifles. Keep it up NRA.

I'm gonna go see the movie asap as planned.
21st Jul 2012, 1:51 AM #24
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Ha ha, I love the USA where as an average citizen, you can get f'ing assault rifles. Keep it up NRA.


That is honestly the most frightening aspect of this whole tragedy. The fact that some person can just rock up somewhere and get themselves a really powerful assault rifle and tear gas is insane (At least according to some of the news articles I read it was tear gas, there are some others saying it may have been a weird mixture?)

.__. I'm pretty sure you can't even get an assault rifle here, the laws are really restrictive when it comes to private gun ownership, espeically on handguns and semi-automatics.

Also they're saying the numbers are 12 dead and 59 injured now?
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MLai:As more time and more details emerge, we'll have a better idea how this graduate med student went mad, whether he showed warning signs in the past, etc etc.

Because it's not easy to become a graduate student in neurosciences. You cannot be mal-adjusted all your life (like that Asian kid a year back who dropped out of college very quickly and then went on a shooting spree, and he showed warning signs such as his home videos) and expect to get into that. Something recent must have happened internally.


What are you getting at? That you can't go whackers if you're smart? Most serial killers have very high IQs. Being well educated is no indicator of sanity. Or of goodness.

As to problems... How about the economy? The guy was apparently brilliant and working at fricking McDonalds! That'd be enough to drive anybody over the edge.

Then again, maybe he just hated Batman. (I've always felt Batsy was a bit of a fascist myself.)

Whatever the case, killing 12 people over it? No excuse he could come up with would cover that! Lord! o_o

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Ha ha, I love the USA where as an average citizen, you can get f'ing assault rifles. Keep it up NRA.


That is honestly the most frightening aspect of this whole tragedy. The fact that some person can just rock up somewhere and get themselves a really powerful assault rifle and tear gas is insane (At least according to some of the news articles I read it was tear gas, there are some others saying it may have been a weird mixture?)

.__. I'm pretty sure you can't even get an assault rifle here, the laws are really restrictive when it comes to private gun ownership, espeically on handguns and semi-automatics.

Also they're saying the numbers are 12 dead and 59 injured now?


Yeah their culture has a really heavy emphasis on firearms. :/ On one of the other forums I frequent there's currently a debate between the American and non-American members about this.
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21st Jul 2012, 2:34 AM #27
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Whenever something like this happens there is always an arguement about Gun ownership and the laws about gun ownership, where ever the shooting takes place. IDK I am just amazed that someone can even get an assault rifle without people worrying about it. It's not exactly a hunter's gun. :L
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That's what I was saying to my mom... What the hell are you claiming you're hunting? Dinosaurs?!
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I think the shooting might be tied to the whole "world ending in december 2012" thing.
Im completely convinced as time comes closer to that date, people will start to be extremely irrational. Such as going on a killing spree. You know, stuff like that.

Idk...Maybe he was just a marvel fan.
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Uglulyx:Yeah their culture has a really heavy emphasis on firearms. :/


I disagree with this because evidently no one in the movie audience was packing.
21st Jul 2012, 3:10 AM #31
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There is also the fact that diseases like schizophrenia often start showing symptoms around college age, so it is possible that this guy really went kind of crazy.
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21st Jul 2012, 3:40 AM #32
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**Disclaimer: I am not a psychologist. I've taken one psych class, lots of education/development classes, and I read a lot.**

I've been reading this book called Generation Me, by Jean M. Twenge. She talks about the current generation (those under 35, which is most of us I'd wager) and how it is different from those before us. In about the 60's and 70's there was this big kind of movement towards individual self-esteem, which was until then really not a thing. Over the next decades the self esteem movement turned kids into being very "me-centered," regardless of whether or not they were brought up that way. It's all over the media, it's in our world; it becomes a part of us. The result was that people were constantly trying to find their place. In this big world, everybody wants to be somebody, and not everybody can. Everyone wants to be famous, everyone wants to be known, everyone wants their "moment." This is something that was just not as common in previous generations, who were largely content with their lives as they were. Yes, this is a blanket statement, yes I know it doesn't/didn't apply to everyone. I'm just paraphrasing the book.

Anyway, what happens is that people don't... really know where they fit in anymore. Dreams are dashed daily, because there are so many people and everything is so impersonal that it's so much harder now to get ahead. I imagine just a few decades ago, getting a job was a matter of walking into the office and selling yourself -- convince them to hire you. Didn't matter if there was an opening or not, if you were good enough. Now, it's an online application, several phone calls that go ignored, getting shuffled around the bureaucracy -- it's enough to drive anyone insane.

I haven't finished the book yet, but I imagine that this loss of place in the "me generation" is also a big contributing factor to the rise in depression/anxiety/suicide in this generation. When we are in a world where the focus is constantly on "me," it can be scary if you don't know who "me" is. It's okay not to have an answer to that, but so many people feel that they're not normal if they don't. If they don't know what they want, who they are, where they are, where they're going... It's not enough anymore to not know. We have to be perfect. Have to have it together. More and more people are cracking under the pressure of living in a "me generation."

Anyway, that's my take. I've read about the brain damage thing in serial killers as well, and it wouldn't surprise me if there is some of that going on, too. Also, please don't think I'm saying that the pressures of our society is the sole cause of mental illness. I would never claim that; mental illness has always been here, though I do think that the pressures make it worse. It's a good book; anyone who's interested in behavior (Especially anyone about to work with teenagers) should pick it up.

Edit: there is also an increase in public sharing. Maybe this generation is no more lost than the previous ones, but we are certainly more vocal about it. For some, that allows us a place to belong, but it does also play into that "me focus" that we've gotten so in to.
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21st Jul 2012, 4:10 AM #33
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Ok, the revised injured count is up to 79, which includes shock and stuff unrelated to gunshot wounds or gas inhalation.

Apparently, the guy bought four guns, the assault rifle, shotgun and two pistols from local gun shops, and then bought, wait for it, 6,000 rounds of ammunition over the net along with rifle magazines, and some stuff on how to put an assault rifle together. All the guns and ammunition he owned were legal, and that's... that's a really terrifying thought. Jesus how do you order that much and not raise any red flags?

uhhh it's unclear how he got the full suit of body armour and gas canisters though.
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God, this freaked me right the hell out when I heard about it. I can't remember if I heard it as I was getting home from the premier or when I woke up, but my first thought was "Jesus Christ am I not going to be able to go to the movies for months".

Aside from the fact that any shmuck off the street can get an assault rifle, the biggest thing that horrifies me about this is the MEDIA. God, I just turned on the news and there was a guy with his back to the camera being interviewed. Apparently, his daughter and ex-wife were shot. His daughter was killed, and his ex-wife is in critical condition. The poor guy was obviously in shock, and then the interviewer said, in the most freaking unsympathetic way possible "So, is your daughter dead now?". I wanted to punch something.
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What are you getting at? That you can't go whackers if you're smart? Most serial killers have very high IQs. Being well educated is no indicator of sanity. Or of goodness.

You can get schizophrenia despite being sane and smart before that. What I'm saying is, don't expect to get into graduate school studying neuroscience while having untreated schizophrenia. The media says he's been in the graduate program for a full year, and his professor thought he's smart, active, and sociable. If let's say he's had undiagnosed schizophrenia for the past 6 months, he would not have been able to function that way in such an elite environment.

As for sociopaths and serial killers... I have experience with the type of environment this guy was in (graduate student, neuroscience, labs, reading/writing medical journals), and... that's not the type of environment sociopaths want, even smart ones. It's friggin' hard boring work with long hours, with only long-term payoff spurred by a pure love for the field (kind of like comics!). Successful sociopathic personality means the person would more likely go into stock brokerage, or business management, that sort of thing.

Whenever something like this happens there is always an arguement about Gun ownership and the laws about gun ownership, where ever the shooting takes place.

It took place 12 miles from the Columbine school massacre. LMFAO.
It's very tragic, but sociologically speaking it's like watching motorcycle racing by people without helmets. Yes, are we supposed to be surprised?

That's what I was saying to my mom... What the hell are you claiming you're hunting? Dinosaurs?!

If the shop owner actually asks you that, cock the gun loudly and say you're hunting tree-hugging pro-choice commie liberals.
You'll get a deep belly laugh and a hearty pat on the back. And your assault rifle.
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TMDgraphics:I think the shooting might be tied to the whole "world ending in december 2012" thing.
Im completely convinced as time comes closer to that date, people will start to be extremely irrational. Such as going on a killing spree. You know, stuff like that.


I have to admit that this one was of my first thoughts, too.

Also, I'm not inclined to agree with you guys that he was in any kind of psychotic state. The scary thing about this event is that it was clearly premeditated. This is a guy who was planning this -- or possibly something bigger -- for a LONG time. Someone like that has a very warped, unhealthy way of thinking, but this doesn't sound like a mental illness and I don't think the courts would think so either.

Anyway, what boggles my mind is that they're still showing The Dark Knight. You'd think, at the very LEAST, they'd delay the movie release for a few days or weeks to show respect for the families of those killed/injured. Were it a lower budget movie, it'd probably be pulled from the cinema altogether. But no -- this is Hollywood, and they want to make money. I can't believe how cold and corporate this world has gotten.
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TMDgraphics:I think the shooting might be tied to the whole "world ending in december 2012" thing.
Im completely convinced as time comes closer to that date, people will start to be extremely irrational. Such as going on a killing spree. You know, stuff like that.

Idk...Maybe he was just a marvel fan.


The whole end of the world nonsence is a self fullfilling prophecy. If you truely believe it's gonna happen, you're gonna go do crazy shit that you wouldn't normally do because all of a sudden there's little to to no consequences for your actions, because, hey, the worlds gonna end anyway.

Although, given the way the world's running these days, we could do with someone hitting the reset button.
21st Jul 2012, 5:39 AM #39
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Anyway, what boggles my mind is that they're still showing The Dark Knight. You'd think, at the very LEAST, they'd delay the movie release for a few days or weeks to show respect for the families of those killed/injured. Were it a lower budget movie, it'd probably be pulled from the cinema altogether. But no -- this is Hollywood, and they want to make money. I can't believe how cold and corporate this world has gotten.


To be fair, it wasn't the movie's fault twelve people are dead. It was the fault of one sick individual who thought it would be a good idea to open fire on a theatre full of people. There are far more unfair things being done to the victims and their families than a little movie playing. Mainly that this guy is getting likely at least partially what he wanted-- his name in lights, so to speak.


And also, the Paris premier DID get cancelled.
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I'm going to leave these Twitter screencaps of one of the shooting victims, just before she was murdered. It's incredibly humanizing, that could have been anyone, could have been my best friend or my sister or anybody. My heart goes out for the victims' families.
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