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21st Jul 2012, 8:01 PM #61
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nvm, story that was out up that I read was in fact faked, thanks for pointing out
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21st Jul 2012, 8:01 PM #62
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I can't find a story about him escaping, so I doubt that is true. I'm pretty sure it would be massively reported if that happened.

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I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that I'm no parent, because I have a son a little older than that infant. I know it's not always easy to find someone to watch over your baby, but there is no right to get entertained in the UN charta and if you feel the need to, but can't get to a theatre, there are myriads of other forms of entertainment you can do at home that bear no medical risks for infants and annoyance for other people. Watch a BluRay while the kids asleep, put LA Noire in your PS3 or sleep with your wife, but don't take a newborn to a movie theatre. If you really want to see a certain movie, guess what? In only 3 months time it will be available on BluRay or DVD, cheaper than two movie tickets anyway.


Or how about the parents going seperately to the movie, while the other stays home with the kid. Problem solved.

And he escaped?! He really is a super-villain! o_o



I've been looking at the news to see if he has actually escaped, I haven't found anything yet...

Edit: nevermind he hasnt escaped
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21st Jul 2012, 8:13 PM #64
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Hythlodeus:That they deseved it was def. the wrong wording. And if it is really common in the US to take infant into the cinemas there is something inherently wrong with your cinematic culture. Cinemas are under no circumstances places for infants. As I wrote before, the loud sound systems are not healthy for young children. In fact they are dangerous.


You might want to edit your first post... If I hadn't read this post and had it mitigated somewhat, I would have raged all over you for that... I still think that it's a tremendously callous thing to say by someone who clearly isn't a parent, but it helped to know that you've backpedalled somewhat on it.


I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that I'm no parent, because I have a son a little older than that infant. I know it's not always easy to find someone to watch over your baby, but there is no right to get entertained in the UN charta and if you feel the need to, but can't get to a theatre, there are myriads of other forms of entertainment you can do at home that bear no medical risks for infants and annoyance for other people. Watch a BluRay while the kids asleep, put LA Noire in your PS3 or sleep with your wife, but don't take a newborn to a movie theatre. If you really want to see a certain movie, guess what? In only 3 months time it will be available on BluRay or DVD, cheaper than two movie tickets anyway.


I came to the conclusion because I didn't think that anyone who actually had a child would EVER say that a parent deserved to have something like that happen to their child. I don't care if someone took their kid through a bloody minefield. No parent deserves to have something bad to their child.

Is it perhaps not the greatest idea? Sure... I think that there are many cases that could be made for not taking your young child to the movie theatre. That doesn't mean that anyone deserves to have their kid shot at / gassed.

Just wow...

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Or how about the parents going seperately to the movie, while the other stays home with the kid. Problem solved.


Heaven forbid two parents with a newborn child want to spend some time together doing something they enjoy... OH WAIT! We have to constantly be on the lookout for POTENTIAL PSYCHOS WITH AN ARSENAL! You're blaming the victim here. Chances are, in a regular movie, if the kid woke up the parents could pop a bottle / breast into its mouth. Problem solved. It's not a 2 year old, where the child isn't easily pacified nor capable of restraining themselves.
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21st Jul 2012, 8:26 PM #65
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i love how comments and posts everywhere on the internet are using this news story as a jumping off point to rant about people bringing babies to movie theaters.

You know what might be a more interesting topic to bring up?
Gun control.
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It really sucks on top of the obvious reasons because it gives so many people a bad name and now a lot of others may have to suffer because of it.

People who make comics
people who read comics
people who own guns
people who like action movies but can restrain from displays of violence
people who like crazy violent movies but can differentiate between reality and entertainment... and so on.

It just sucks because you know red flags just went up to everyone who pushes for censorship of everything. They already talk about removing violence and negative influences from video games, movies, music, etc. This just gives them one more excuse and it's really unfortunate.
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vwyler:
Or how about the parents going seperately to the movie, while the other stays home with the kid. Problem solved.


Heaven forbid two parents with a newborn child want to spend some time together doing something they enjoy... OH WAIT! We have to constantly be on the lookout for POTENTIAL PSYCHOS WITH AN ARSENAL! You're blaming the victim here. Chances are, in a regular movie, if the kid woke up the parents could pop a bottle / breast into its mouth. Problem solved. It's not a 2 year old, where the child isn't easily pacified nor capable of restraining themselves.


People with a new born child have every right to spend time with whatever they want, but if they risk the health of their child just to have some fun, excuse me, but this is fucking selfish. If they, for whatever reason are not able to forget their personal needs in favour fir the needs of their kid for the incredible short time of 3 fucking months you can't tell me that you are alright with that.

And for the aspect of gun control: just make them unavailable. Ban them. It works in every other country, most of them have way better crime statistics and people their usually don't get invaded by King George or woever it is, people arm themselves against.

If you want to collect something: stamps don't kill people, postmen with guns do.
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Going to a movie normally risks no one's health. The fact that some person killed a bunch of people does not make the action in general dangerous. Maybe movie theaters are louder where you live, but they are not loud enough to cause hearing damage here.
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21st Jul 2012, 10:19 PM #69
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TheOneBlueGecko:Going to a movie normally risks no one's health. The fact that some person killed a bunch of people does not make the action in general dangerous. Maybe movie theaters are louder where you live, but they are not loud enough to cause hearing damage here.


Not for you. Not for me. For 3 months old infants it is way too loud.
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You know maybe before you throw statements like that out there again you should probably link to some sources.
That way we can stop this conversation from going round and round in circles.
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TheOneBlueGecko:Going to a movie normally risks no one's health. The fact that some person killed a bunch of people does not make the action in general dangerous. Maybe movie theaters are louder where you live, but they are not loud enough to cause hearing damage here.


My sister while working at a local daycare wasn't allowed to vacuum in the room NEXT to where kids were because parents were upset that it might damage their kids' hearing. And judging from the last movie I went to, movies are very loud in comparison. There are a lot of sound frequencies you lose as you grow older, and the movie theater will play them all regardless. Just because you can't hear the bass tearing your baby's ear drums a new one doesn't mean your baby can't. Though I guess you're right that they won't if you keep taking your baby to places you probably shouldn't.

Hythlodeus:And for the aspect of gun control: just make them unavailable. Ban them. It works in every other country, most of them have way better crime statistics and people their usually don't get invaded by King George or whoever it is, people arm themselves against.


Unfortunately, you can make anything as illegal as you want, it's still going to be smuggled across either the Mexican or Canadian (though mostly the Mexican) border because it'll still be sold on black markets. All gun control really does is take away weapons from people who have the potential to use them for good (but won't, probably out of fear of being prosecuted as a second shooter), and give gun access to people who have no problem with shooting a bunch of people if they want to go to the trouble.
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A) Provide some evidence backing up your claim that the sound levels are harmful to infants.

B) Even if you can provide that information, it's a simple matter of taking steps to address that.

It's not about not being able to wait 3 months. It's about having the opportunity to go on a date if you want to. It assists in the parents destressing, which in turn makes them better parents.


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My sister while working at a local daycare wasn't allowed to vacuum in the room NEXT to where kids were because parents were upset that it might damage their kids' hearing.


Unless these parents were scientists having conducted a study, that's probably just overzealous parents. Lots of demands are made on the assumption that they are protecting children with little to no basis in fact.
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21st Jul 2012, 11:02 PM #73
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KyteFoxBunny:All gun control really does is take away weapons from people who have the potential to use them for good (but won't, probably out of fear of being prosecuted as a second shooter), and give gun access to people who have no problem with shooting a bunch of people if they want to go to the trouble.


I love it when people state and defeat their own argument in the same sentence.

Colorado's gun laws are already pretty lax, and like most states you can get a conceal firearms permit. There was no old west style shootout in this case, and if you look at most cases, it doesn't really happen. So making the gun laws even more lax is not going to do any good, and anyone who thinks that is probably a bit off in the head.

On the other hand outright banning guns like Hythlodeus suggested is just as crazy. That isn't going to be something that just outright happens in America, it is kinda ingrain in our culture that guns are good. Its going to take time.

Adam Gopnik of The New Yorker:Every country has, along with its core civilities and traditions, some kind of inner madness, a belief so irrational that even death and destruction cannot alter it. In Europe not long ago it was the belief that “honor” of the nation was so important that any insult to it had to be avenged by millions of lives. In America, it has been, for so long now, the belief that guns designed to kill people indifferently and in great numbers can be widely available and not have it end with people being killed, indifferently and in great numbers. The argument has gotten dully repetitive: How does one argue with someone convinced that the routine massacre of our children is the price we must pay for our freedom to have guns, or rather to have guns that make us feel free?
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My sister while working at a local daycare wasn't allowed to vacuum in the room NEXT to where kids were because parents were upset that it might damage their kids' hearing.


Unless these parents were scientists having conducted a study, that's probably just overzealous parents. Lots of demands are made on the assumption that they are protecting children with little to no basis in fact.


www.asha.org/public/hearing/Noise/
www.childrenshearing.org/custom/hearing_health.html
www.patriottalon.com/story/sound-movies
hearingaidexpress.com/2010/01/hearing-damage-in-movie-theaters/

A vacuum cleaner is around 70 decibels. It's not crazy loud, but it's still loud enough that it's probably not healthy for you to put a child next to it for a good while. While a movie theater probably isn't blasting sound effects and dramatic music all the time, and from what I gather from google, it averages supposedly at around 131.5 dB for a G/PG movie and 131.8 db for a PG-13 movie. I personally feel that is a little high, but even it it averaged at 100 dB, it's still dangerous to have more than 15 minutes of unprotected exposure.

Mr. Capps:I love it when people state and defeat their own argument in the same sentence.


I was making the point that gun control in either way was pretty much not going to change anything, so I guess that got across. It's either easier or harder to obtain a gun legally, but you can still obtain a gun which makes the whole thing moot.
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Banning guns won't do anything. The cops will have them and people will get them illegally. Not the people who have them now who apply for them, the dirtbags who get them illegally as it is. Meaning you can't have a gun, but the scum you want to be protected against have them. I'm not even so sure that's a better situation than the way it is now. Things like this are too touchy to have a simple answer, we made this bed and have to sleep in it. If you're a sane individual and don't feel safe, apply for a permit and carry one. That's really the only solution I have for you.
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My sister was taken to movies all the time when she was a little infant, action or scary movies because those are what my parents enjoyed watching, she has great hearing to this day. And my parents remained much happier and less stressed as a result of being able to actually go out do something together.


http://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/zz-_Shared_Assets/English_PDFs/Professional/54_Moviestooloud.pdf Here is a good article about movie sound, basically trailers are more of a problem as the usually present more continuous loud sounds (though still below the level to cause damage) as for movies they are quiet enough and have few enough really loud parts that they don't present a real damage to hearing, as compared to a concert which has more continuous loud sounds.

In addition with a baby numerous things like beanies or even carriers can muffle sound to a degree.

The key thing from your link is this line "Hearing damage starts at 120 dB, although prolonged exposure to just 85 dB can also cause damage." Which that alone says that movie will not damage the child's hearing.

I mean, look at this fact alone, you can whisper to the person next to you during a movie and they can hear that, that alone says they are not that loud. (Or you could also look at the fact that the sound effects are not loud enough to cause physical pain, movies are designed to feel louder than they are).
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Le3thal:Banning guns won't do anything. The cops will have them and people will get them illegally. Not the people who have them now who apply for them, the dirtbags who get them illegally as it is. Meaning you can't have a gun, but the scum you want to be protected against have them.


This is exactly the situation in the UK - guns are only in the hands of criminals, especially drug dealers and armed police. Yet we don't have these random massacres. It seems that dirtbags only shoot at each other.

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I really want to reply to Ranger Brian's talking points on guns, but I'm sure it's all been said before (and are being said somewhere at this very second).
Anyways, checked MSNBC, the guy has not escaped.

BTW, guns don't kill people, violent video games do! (Couldn't resist.)
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