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17th Jul 2011, 3:07 AM #261
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Ah but I have an archive on *ahem* fur affinity. So I transferred over 260 pages worth of work.

Austin 6:32 I am twice the Man...Boo-yah ;)
just kidding bro.


Ha! Well if you were able to post 260 pages that quick, then maybe I need to stop procrastinating...

Ah, I'll get around to it. Pretty soon.
17th Jul 2011, 3:26 AM #262
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Skullbie:I was just about to beat myself up for not saving my old archives but then I remembered I had hosting on rampage network. I'm almost afraid to check and see if it's still there though.


I'm so sorry.


/headesk

Argh it's gone. And oh god I forgot about that little favicon I made it is the cutest thing ever
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SKULLBIE or LEFARCE would show up bigger than anything on the page.


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17th Jul 2011, 3:36 AM #264
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I really think my question was deserving of an answer.
17th Jul 2011, 3:51 AM #265
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Marlowe:I really think my question was deserving of an answer.


El Cid:I've got over 250 pages there in my primary comic alone. I'll take any excuse I can find to not have to reload all of that crap...


I consider the current site a de facto beta, and we're beta testers (or guinea pigs, if you'd like). It's buggy yet, but everything there more or less does work. I'm able to update my comic, I'm able to modify my layout, I'm able to post in the forums, I'm able to send PQs... it's functional. I don't like it as much as the old site, but I'm not exactly crazy for the alternatives either. The fact is, I'm invested in Drunk Duck and the community there, and there's no point picking up and leaving if I don't have to.

And I did say "if." The image compression problem is unacceptable. They cannot hope to run an art site that does not properly display art. If that doesn't get fixed, I can't rightly justify sticking around, because the site will be effectively useless to me.
17th Jul 2011, 3:51 AM #266
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I was mostly willing to live with most of the weirdness,


why?


mainly because a lot of us have been with the Duck for years, so moving an entire archive to a new site takes a lot of time better served with drawing comics.
17th Jul 2011, 4:00 AM #267
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El Cid:And I did say "if." The image compression problem is unacceptable. They cannot hope to run an art site that does not properly display art. If that doesn't get fixed, I can't rightly justify sticking around, because the site will be effectively useless to me.


I wouldn't get your hopes too high. From what I read, the compression is a feature, not a bug. It was documented before the switch. From the beginning I've had a lot of trouble understanding that feature. There HAD to have been better ways of saving space than compressing all the old comics. That's the worst solution to this problem I can imagine.
17th Jul 2011, 4:04 AM #268
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Well that's a bummer. I know they were supposed to be shrinking the files to 960 pixels width, but I hadn't heard that across-the-board image quality reduction was going to be part of the new master plan. Not that I was following all that closely.
17th Jul 2011, 4:04 AM #269
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Marlowe:
I was mostly willing to live with most of the weirdness,


why?


mainly because a lot of us have been with the Duck for years, so moving an entire archive to a new site takes a lot of time better served with drawing comics.


Not passing personal judgement, but that is a really bad reason to stay with the site considering how much it ruins said archive with compression, and is generally completely terrible in every regard. Regardless the question was posed to El Cid who I guess has me blocked or something and isn't going to respond.
17th Jul 2011, 4:06 AM #270
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Yeah, originally they said they were going to switch all the JPGs to PNGs to save space (They actually did the opposite and converted all the images into medium resolution JPGs). I only know this because someone mentioned it awhile before the move and I struck me as really strange so I looked into it a little.
17th Jul 2011, 4:06 AM #271
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I'm going to throw out a very wacky idea, please do not let it shake the very foundations of your soul.

What if you took the opportunity to reupload your whole archive at a moderate pace, allowing you to bypass one of the most bitched about problems in our subset of the Internet: not having new issues done.

Think about it. You have to burn through 250 pages of this stuff. Upload a page a day, and your fanbase will grow at an exponential rate. Use that time to produce issues at your normal pace, so once you run dry of your initial 250, you should have many more in the can. At that point, if you need to, set a new update schedule. While all of this is going on, you can slowly update on your previous site, urging people to check out your new page instead.

The actual work of uploading them all again might seem like a pain in the ass, but I see it as a means to reach a whole new audience with a schedule that makes my work much more marketable.
17th Jul 2011, 4:07 AM #272
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Marlowe:
dumok:
Marlowe:
I was mostly willing to live with most of the weirdness,


why?


mainly because a lot of us have been with the Duck for years, so moving an entire archive to a new site takes a lot of time better served with drawing comics.


Not passing personal judgement, but that is a really bad reason to stay with the site considering how much it ruins said archive with compression, and is generally completely terrible in every regard. Regardless the question was posed to El Cid who I guess has me blocked or something and isn't going to respond.

uhm, he did answer you....look up

17th Jul 2011, 4:10 AM #273
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AFStaff:Yeah, originally they said they were going to switch all the JPGs to PNGs to save space (They actually did the opposite and converted all the images into medium resolution JPGs). I only know this because someone mentioned it awhile before the move and I struck me as really strange so I looked into it a little.


I think in general the programmers there don't know anything about working with image files. Considering it's such an art-oriented site, that's pretty horrific!
17th Jul 2011, 4:10 AM #274
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Dumok, could your footer be any longer?!!
17th Jul 2011, 4:11 AM #275
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Archive dumping over a long period of time is a really good idea, yeah. It essentially puts you on the "Newly Updated" X times as often as just dumping all at once (X being your number of comics of course). It definitely helps attaining fans and most new readers will enjoy getting a daily update for a couple months over doing an archive binge in the course of a day or two anyways.
17th Jul 2011, 4:12 AM #276
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El Cid:Dumok, could your footer be any longer?!!


My footer is a grower AND a show-er.
17th Jul 2011, 4:12 AM #277
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Yeah this was all brought up a while ago. Wowio said they wanted to convert everything to .pngs, but it wasn't to save on space, that's just something that got thrown out at random. It's because apparently that's the preferred format for mobile devices. I dont' even think that's true, because mobile devices are incredibly powerful in their own regard and can render any file extension just fine.

However, .jpg last I checked is still considered the standard format for the web in general, so I guess to save on file size, making it easier for mobile users to load the page, they converted all files to .jpg.

edit: yeah a comic with a lot of pages but not subs can turn people off. I just meant that you can upload at your own pace, not miss a beat, and get caught up. vvvvvv
17th Jul 2011, 4:13 AM #278
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MrWeatherby:I'm going to throw out a very wacky idea, please do not let it shake the very foundations of your soul.

What if you took the opportunity to reupload your whole archive at a moderate pace, allowing you to bypass one of the most bitched about problems in our subset of the Internet: not having new issues done...


That is likely how I would do it. When you upload a bazillion pages at once, no one wants to read it because they're intimidated by having to read all that stuff.
17th Jul 2011, 4:13 AM #279
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Oh, whoops, somehow I missed this.

El Cid:
Marlowe:I really think my question was deserving of an answer.


El Cid:I've got over 250 pages there in my primary comic alone. I'll take any excuse I can find to not have to reload all of that crap...


I consider the current site a de facto beta, and we're beta testers (or guinea pigs, if you'd like). It's buggy yet, but everything there more or less does work. I'm able to update my comic, I'm able to modify my layout, I'm able to post in the forums, I'm able to send PQs... it's functional. I don't like it as much as the old site, but I'm not exactly crazy for the alternatives either. The fact is, I'm invested in Drunk Duck and the community there, and there's no point picking up and leaving if I don't have to.

And I did say "if." The image compression problem is unacceptable. They cannot hope to run an art site that does not properly display art. If that doesn't get fixed, I can't rightly justify sticking around, because the site will be effectively useless to me.


I just don't understand this mentality, the site is clearly owned by people who could absolutely give no less of a shit about their user base. They've been working on this site as a team for six months or so? There is no excuse for making the users beta test their halfassed version they were late in even getting up in the first place because they can't fix problems with their own site. So many people have left and are leaving anyway that it even begs the question of what community is even left at drunk duck that's worth staying around for.

I'm reading your answer and I understand what all the words mean but I just still can't understand why someone would choose the shittier service when time and time again the people in charge don't care if you think it's crap instead of just taking your business elsewhere.

But whatever, I can't stop you and I'm not going to lose sleep or anything over this, it just doesn't make one single ounce of logical, sound, reasonable sense.
17th Jul 2011, 4:17 AM #280
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Marlowe:...I'm reading your answer and I understand what all the words mean but I just still can't understand why someone would choose the shittier service when time and time again the people in charge don't care if you think it's crap instead of just taking your business elsewhere.

But whatever, I can't stop you and I'm not going to lose sleep or anything over this, it just doesn't make one single ounce of logical, sound, reasonable sense.


You've actually got it backwards, Marlowe. It makes perfectly good logical sense. There's no reason why I should abandon a site where I've built a considerable base (almost all of whom are still there---I've been PQing some of them). There's also no reason I couldn't post at both places. What you're making is an emotional appeal that I should for some reason be concerned whether the people who run the site "care" about me, as a human being. I'm sorry but that is irrelevant to me.
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