Nama:Telling people that they can't voice their opinion that's opposite to yours is not a form of civil discussion. Hell, that's not even discussion. Don't do that.
on a smaller note for everyone in the thread, please actually discuss the topic and don't just say that you think people are overreacting or something along those lines.
That's not what I meant by that post and you know it. I mean, shit, Nama; just because you have mod powers doesn't mean you have to interject in every conversation that goes off the rails for the briefest of moments. Kyo at least has tact when he tries to course correct, you just go in all heavy handed and kill the vibe. Now I don't even want to continue this topic because you're making me out like I'm the bad guy.
Guybrush20X6:Didn't Jesus like a life of poverty by choice rather than take up the family carpentry business?
Even easier to have more money than the guy.
Kelsey -Nutty- P.:I personally think you're getting way too mad about video games but that's just me.
And you're really hitting a checklist here on being That Guy™ that has no counterpoints, but still wants to be contrarian anyway.
Like, if you don't care about the cut Pokemon, that's fine, there's casual fans everywhere that's okay with it. But don't try to justify it or make an argument on why it's okay. Those type of apologists is why Game Freak's been able to get away with this shit for as long as they have anyway. And don't try to poke at my character either instead of actually debating a point, that's really thinly veiled trolling. Your post was barely a step above correcting my grammar or something petty like that.
GMan003:Unless I am completely blind, Let's Go and X/Y do not use the same models. I don't even see how you could do that without it looking like absolute garbage, the 3DS has such a low-res screen that the jaggies would be unbearable, using the same assets on a 1080p display.
Seriously, do this and this look like the same model?
Yes, they simply downscaled the model for the portable system. It's not that the original was low quality, it's that the format it was on wasn't able to output it at it's max quality.
GMan003:[..] The limit has always been on the creative side. First few gens, it was about just sitting down and inventing a few hundred interesting mons, and even then they didn't get there without half-assing a few. It probably wasn't hard to re-draw them all as high-res sprites for the GBA games. But once you go 3D, asset creation gets exponential harder, and continues getting harder the more detailed you make them.
Again, they're literally the same models, dude. You could Google this and see.
And I disagree, at 3D it gets much easier, it's solely why fighting games stopped using 2D and went 3D these days. King of Fighters actively gave up their buttery smooth sprites in exchange for 3D because they claimed 2D nearly bankrupted them last time. Even one of the last holdouts, Arcsys went 3D because it was way easier.
GMan003:It might be the most valuable IP (I'll take your word for it), but individual games don't sell all that well. Let's Go! has shipped 11 million units. The absolute max it could have grossed was $660M. The last Call of Duty game outsold that in three days.
Ultra Sun/Moon sold 8.5M units. Sun/Moon were 16M, as were X/Y. Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire were 14M. Meanwhile, Grand Theft Auto V sold 110 million units, double that of every Pokemon game I just mentioned, combined. Mario Kart 8 sold 27 million. New Super Mario Bros sold 30 million. Pokemon games sell well, but they haven't been runaway smash hits for a long time.
The value of the IP is the expected future earnings. The games are just one piece in the Pokemon empire. Anime. Manga. Movies. The card game. Figurines and plushes and stickers and posters. Continued sales, future sales, re-releases and remakes and sequels and prequels and spinoffs. Isn't there a theme park opening soon?
The IP is valuable because most people expect Pokemon to continue making money in the long term. And between all those things, and with how much people love them, they probably will, for generations to come.
I'm not sure the point you were trying to make here? The bottom line is the Pokemon franchise has tons in the battle coffer, and they're backed by Nintendo. The excuses they give on why they can't pull off the most rudimentary of things other studios do doesn't fly anymore. They cut corners on all the Pokemon, battle animations, content; and from those that have knowledge of coding, the shit under the hood is terrible as well.
They're worth $95,000,000,000 (95 Billion), yet they still act like a small, indy company.
It's one thing if this was like a Madden or 2K franchise, people would already know what to expect. But people had positive expectations of Pokemon, and they let us down. They let us down all the time, but all the Pokemon was the bare minimum, that's the one of the few thing people knew they'd get from them every gen, and they lowered the bar even on that. That's one of the reasons why there's such a massive backlash, this was the straw that broke the camel's back and it was a pretty heavy straw at that.
GMan003:That seems reasonable. (Although I suspect it's "we're not guaranteeing future games will have all the pokemon", not "we guarantee no future game will have all the pokemon").
Nah, that's literally what they said. They said for future games they're gonna hand pick the Pokemon that they feel would be "theme appropriate" for that game's setting, instead of bringing all of them back.
GMan003:The problem is that assets keep getting more and more expensive. (This has been a general problem in the games industry, AAA game budgets are like 70% art at this point, but specifically affects Pokemon in this way). Gen I, each Pokemon needed what, two sprites and a sound effect? And they didn't even make them all unique sounds. Gen V started using 3D models for each Pokemon, but they were pretty simple, not too many animations and not too detailed. And even that was a full generation after the hardware got good enough to handle 3D graphics. We could have had 3D pokemon battles on the DS - it was about as powerful as an N64, which had 3D battles in Pokemon Stadium - but they couldn't have afforded it.
Let's Go! and Gen VIII are going way more polished with the art. Much more detailed graphics - takes longer to sculpt those models and paint those textures. Many, many more animations. Unique sounds. Unique behaviors. Adding a single Pokemon to the games now probably requires more man-hours of work than the entire roster of the first games (despite how slow the old tools were compared to now). And, they're so much better quality now that they can't even just slap in the assets from Sun/Moon for the missing ones, they'd stick out like a sore thumb.
Every single Pokemon game since X & Y have used the same models. X&Y, Sun & Moon, the Ruby & Sapphire remakes, Pokemon Let's Go, and even the mobile spin-off Pokemon Go. That's also a big reason why so many are upset about them refusing to add all the Pokemon. They already made the models.
GMan003:But, as soon as Nintendo makes a new console powerful enough that they decide to redo their asset library, you can expect to lose most of them.
The 3DS has more Pokemon than this entry and the Switch runs circles around the 3DS.
3DS was a handheld system, the Switch is a full-blown console. They could probably add quadruple the amounts of Pokemon that was in Sun and Moon in this entry if they wanted.
GMan003:While this is the first mainline game to have missing Pokemon, it's not the first. Not by a longshot. Stadium. Colosseum. XD. Snap. Has *any* spinoff had the full roster for their time? You know what a lot of them have in common - they were on the more powerful home console of the era, not the handheld, and had much better graphics which required higher-quality assets.
Pokemon Stadium, Colosseum, and XD each had all the Pokemon though. As a matter of fact, the animations were way better as well. Another common complaint for this entry is how Pokemon in the Wii version (Battle Revolution, another spin-off that had all Pokemon) had better quality animations than what Game Freak is putting out these days. So the models are already made, and they've also cut corners on the battle animations.
What did they cut all these Pokemon for?
GMan003:Since most people here are comic artists, let me try an analogy to that. Imagine if every time you published a new volume of your comic, you had to redraw every previous page in every previous chapter in every previous book, to bring them up to your current level of quality. You'd get nowhere - and the people foolish enough to have tried can attest to it.
A better analogy would be what if we had to copy/paste each page.
But if my comic was the biggest money maker in ALL the world(literally, no exaggeration, Pokemon is the #1 IP in the world), I'd just pay someone to do it.
JammyTheBirb:I don't have any interest in playing sword and shield. Yeah I get it, the number's getting too high to program in and that, it's reasonable.
No it's not though.
Pokemon Sun & Moon on the 3DS literally had more Pokemon than this and the Switch outclasses that totally. At the same time, the Pokemon in the Switch version is using the same models as the ones from Sun & Moon, and the graphics on the game looks like a late PS2 game at times.
GameFreak tries to claim that they're understaffed and this is hard work for a first time title but at the same time, they literally have the highest grossing property on the planet. No other IP sells more than Pokemon, there's no excuse for them to have cut corners for as long as they did. But so long as they offered the bare minimum, everyone accepted it. But now they're not even doing that.
Kevtrev:This is just another one of those things where people's complaints annoy me way more than the flaws themselves.
If I want those other Pokémon I can just play any of the previous games (the ones that I replay far more often than the recent ones). I gave up on transferring and "catching them all" once it required more than 2 versions anyway.
Is Sword/Shield fun to play? Does it run well? That's all I care about. There are still plenty of critters available to make fun playthroughs with.
Yeah but, I don't want to play the older Pokemon games; I want to play the newest Pokemon games with my old favorites, something every single gen before this was able to accommodate. Also for the higher level players, making late game teams around their favorites was also something to look forward to.
The Pokemon Company did a top 100 favorite Pokemon poll a while back and if you comb through the list, less than 30 made the cut.
No matter how you slice it, this looks bad.
Kelsey -Nutty- P.:"Dexit?" Oh come on.
Considering someone upset about this was idiotic enough to spread false rumors about sexual harrassment the head of Game Freak supposedly did, I just cannot bring myself to care about a limited pokedex.
Like, we're in Pokemon London. We get gargantuan versions of Pokemon. We get all these cool NEW Pokemon and new features. Just because they're not in Sword/Shield doesn't mean they're scrubbed from the list of Pokemon forever.
But uhhh, that sexual harassment thing has nothing to do with this. People lie about bad shit all the time, doesn't invalidate what the others who didn't lie about sexual harassment are upset about. And there's a lot of them.
Also the gargantuan gimmick looks half-baked and it's hard to get excited about it. Especially since it's most likely going to be dropped next gen, just like the other gimmicks they tried to impose like Mega Evolutions and Z-Moves.
GMan003:Request for clarification: Are these Pokemon simply not in the upcoming Sword+Shield games, or are they being omitted from all future mainline games? The word "permanent" in your thread title implies the latter but everything else points towards the former.
Sword and Shield.
The devs clarified that they're not going to change their mind and they're not going to be patched in at a later date, or added as DLC. In addition, they also said going forward, no future Pokemon games are ever gonna have all Pokemon in it ever again.
MK_Wizard:Family can be a mixed bag. It's hard to ask or expect your family to give money especially when you're as close to them as I am, but sometimes, it's obvious they don't always understand how much even the minimum support makes a difference for an aspiring artist.
I think it's quite the opposite.
I mean, if a family or friend of mine were an aspiring anything, it'd be ridiculously selfish for me to expect a freebie or a discount. Obviously the best thing I could do in that situation is give them my business since they obviously need a lot of it to get afloat.
I got family members who are in different fields and when I enlist their help, I always offer to pay them a fair wage. If they choose not to accept it, then them's the breaks, but otherwise all I ask from them is for the same energy.
Yes I offer them on my own time or for charitable cause, but am I wrong to want to be paid for my work in all other situations?
And has anyone else ever been asked to do free work? And how did you handle it.
I literally made my website solely to deter all these requests I got(in specific though, the Commissions section). Like, I always wanted to make a site, but the deciding factor was so I could use it as a passive-aggressive way to more or less tell people, "No". And then for good measure I overpriced it because I really got tired of doing shit for people who 11 times outta 12 ain't gonna appreciate it anyway. The next step is to make business cards to hand them out when the requests come through.
Vincethestick:I normally do freebies if they're like family or close enough friends (unless under some circumstances they offer to pay, which is always nice and has happened a few times).
But a complete stranger or acquaintance? Nah fam, charge that shit.
Shoot, friends and family is usually the worst offenders in my experience. Most of the time they don't wanna pay you anything, and if they do offer it's probably a ridiculously small amount (if they don't stiff you on it that is). On a related note, I love this video right here:
-- For the dudes who got F&F who don't put you in these uncomfortable positions, y'all got my envy; it must be nice.
Butter is delicious, so I had the idea to make a butter sandwich. It was terrible.
Ketchup is delicious, so I had the idea to make a ketchup sandwich. It was terrible.
Mayonnaise is delicious, so I had the idea to make a mayonnaise sandwich. It was beyondterrible.
Wanted a boiled egg without boiling, so I put it in the microwave. It turned out pretty well until after a few seconds when I took it out the microwave it started vibrating and then exploded. Could never recreate that, but wow.
I tried boiling some rice with a raw chicken inside, figure I'd cook both at the same time. It tasted pretty good, until I got deathly sick afterwards. Eventually came to realize that boiling raw chicken for 20 minutes is NEARLY enough time to cook it, and it kinda ruins the rice as well.
I wanted to make some meatloaf but didn't have flour or breadcrumbs. I looked online and saw that crushed Corn Flakes could double for that. Unfortunately I didn't even have Corn Flakes, just Frosted Flakes but figured eh, it should work. I also didn't have milk, but I had some Almond Milk and figured that should also work too. Funny enough, it didn't taste too bad. It tasted a little.. off, but not bad. And then 20 minutes later my stomach started gurgling, my mouth started watering, and that was the telltale sign that it was time to throw up. I went out, evacuated the entire contents of my stomach in the backyard and was just as hungry as when I started an hour ago.
.. I pretty much play it safe when preparing food these days. ^-^;
J-son:White castle doesn't open in Az until oct. 23 but my fat ass is impatient. I steamed some white castle microwave burgers in a rice cooker because I don't believe in microwaves and don't do it. pleeeeaaaaaase don't do it.
-- Basically what I'm doing is I'm channeling the energy of the Afro with the sleekness of a caesar. I'm getting the sides buzzed down, but letting it grow up top. You can kinda see what I'm going for right now, but you can't really see what I intend for it to look like until a few more months from now when my hair gets bigger. I always went full caesar or full Afro, so I can't believe it took me this long to think of this.
I took this picture so whenever I go to a barber again, I can show them exactly what I plan on going for.
PS: Wow, never noticed just how many gray hairs I got popping up. Wow, I'm getting old. :X
Robotwin.com:As the original author, of course you're entitled and within your rights to do whatever you want, and the audience has a right to criticize.
Matt Comics:personally, I don't like it when people reboot a comic and completely erase the old pages. I understand why it's done, but still... shouldn't old stuff count for something? at least as a reminder of the fun times and all the progress made since then? and some readers, like me, like to compare new and old versions and witness artistic evolution.
That's a good point.
An author that I actually follow on Comic Fury did this a while back, and while his new style was way more cleaner than his old one, he lost a lot of the magic his old pages had and I didn't like the new uploads.
At the same time as a creator, it's hard to leave imperfections up when you're aware of them. So I can definitely see both sides of the coin there.
I'm currently redrawing my old pages, but it's less because of I don't like the way they look, and moreso because I saved the originals at web resolution, so I literally don't have the giant originals anymore. As I'm redrawing them, I'm getting rid of the originals, so I'm doing the exact same thing that other author did that I didn't like. I have the benefit of still being small and niche, but if I was a bigger comic, I could see getting some pushback on this.
Personally once I've gotten enough distance from my original pages, outside of touching up the gutters and maybe text bubbles, I hope I have the discipline to leave the art alone. Honestly, I feel knowing when you leave your art alone and move on is as much a skill as drawing it in the first place.
If you don't have the qualifications, you could always go to a lower tier college and transfer to a higher one after you get them. Where there's a will, there's a way, I personally went back in my late 20's and there's plenty of others who went even later than that. I mean, unless you're trying to go to Harvard, Princeton, or Hogwarts; I'm sure you could get in somewhere.
A great convo regarding "too late" kinda goals I read on Reddit went like this:
"I'm too old to do _____."
"No you're not."
"I'll be XX years old when I finish."
"So? You're gonna be XX years old anyway."