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23rd Jul 2017, 6:34 PM #1
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I'm just going to make the point that high school is an experience, and it's different for every person. For some people it's amazing, other people it's horrible, but for most people it's somewhere in the middle. Don't feel like you're "wasting the best years of your life" or some stupid shit if things don't go great, or you don't fill every typical teenage experience checkbox. It's different for every person, and that's okay, you've got a whole life ahead of you.

The best you can do is focus on your studies, and try to be involved if you can. Just go to stuff, get in a club, dedicate yourself to something you find fun and be friendly, you'll meet people and probably have some fun while you're at it. You might have to experiment a bit, took me a while to find my niche, ultimately just go with the flow and don't worry about things too much.


I basically lived in the art hall when I was in high school. Like, I was down there so much the teachers gave me a key to the classrooms lol. I got to school really early so I helped do a lot of the setup for classes, kept track of the supplies, stopped the room from burning down the three times the kiln caught fire, etc. Fun times.

I wouldn't even necessarily say I made any great friends or anything, but I did get to know pretty much everyone in the school on at least a passing basis. It probably helped I'd been in the same school district since kindergarden, but I got away with a lot of people watching, and knew a lot of secrets just because nobody cared if I was there or overheard. Looking back I probably could have used that info for a lot of shit, but eh, it was just kind of neat knowing what everyone was up to, and it kind of emphasized for me just how messed up a lot of people's lives are. Like, I went to an upper-middle class school, one of the top rated in the area, and the amount of drugs, and abuse, and secret abortions were just unreal. I also learned the cops really don't care if a guy beats his wife and kids if he's rich enough, and I got laughed at for trying to report a mom of a girl I knew who was literally being starved because "fatasses don't make cheer team".

On the more lighthearted end of the scale we had a day every year where we duck-taped the principal to the wall, I got away with drawing satan on a really horrible teachers board every morning for a week, and there was a teacher known for a thing everyone in the school knew as "the squirrel presentation" that was basically a slideshow he'd made explaining that he had squirrels getting into his house, and how he ultimately hunted them down, complete with the skins he'd actually gotten off them and kept in his desk for some bizarre reason. Weird, weird experience.
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23rd Jul 2017, 2:26 PM #2
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20th Jul 2017, 4:33 PM #3
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Tates you know your beautiful monster men give everyone the vapors. Absolutely yes.

Rulerbrain:Welp, I've seen bug people smut before, unicorn people smut shouldn't be too much of a stretch


The internet is a strange and incredible place.
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20th Jul 2017, 4:23 PM #4
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Gorgeous, unique art style that makes my eyes as happy as a kid in a candy shop. 10/10 would stare at.
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20th Jul 2017, 6:20 AM #5
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Of the over 18 characters sure. Dat buttchin.
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19th Jul 2017, 10:07 PM #6
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Depends. I've gotten two SUPER negative reviews for my current comic, and because they were so different they got different reactions.

One had a lot of valid criticism. Pointed out a lot of shit that I completely messed up on, or didn't realize, and while it was really negatively worded I'm honestly thankful they took the time to tell me what the issues were so I can work to fix them moving forward.

The other was... soooo salty lol. It was 99% "well ur comic has animal people THEREFORE FETISH COMIC AND I DONT LIKE" and it was this massive bizarre rant about stuff that wasn't even in the comic. Like, there was a rant in there about Uni's ass which you cant even see because there's too much hair in the way. That one is only mildly upsetting at the time, because I was still mostly starting out, and so many people on the site agreed with it, but it's honestly mostly really funny, and I still use it as an example of what a biased criticism is. Nothing they were bitching about was a flaw with the comic, it just didn't meet their personal tastes, and was thus pretty much invalid as criticism.

It helps to be able to rationalize what is and isn't valid criticism, and learn to laugh at the stuff that's just people being dicks.
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Result in thread: 8 Values Test
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19th Jul 2017, 6:22 AM #7
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Pedophilia is a fetish, not a sexuality, in much the same way zoophilia is. They can both take over to the point that's the only thing a person can get off to, and are INCREDIBLY harmful if acted upon, but so are a lot of other fetishes like crushing, vore, etc. In fact there are specific methods of treating it, as harmful, obsessive fetishes like that are pretty widely recognized as a mental health issue.

Trying to classify it as sexuality is commonly used as a cheap, fucked up ploy perverts use to try to justify not seeking treatment for their behavior, by riding the coattails of legitimate movements like the lgbt movement. or a ploy by biggots to dismiss legitimate movements like the lgbt movement

And more on topic to the thread I think suggesting the quiz included pedophiles and other more fucked up branches of paraphilia is taking it in bad faith. Again, it's a short facebook style thing clearly meant to be more for fun than excessively accurate, it's not going to attach a million addendum's. It's assuming the people taking the test are going to go for the most sane and obvious interpretation of its vague questions, not skew it in a weird direction.

And, again, pedophilia isn't a sexuality, the test probably meant "treated equally under the law" which would obviously exclude nonconsensual acts like raping children, etc.
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18th Jul 2017, 8:14 PM #8
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It's a shitty little 5 min test on the internet measuring some really vague political leanings that looks to mostly exist in the line of those goofy tests people post on facebook constantly. You're seriously putting way too much thought into it.
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15th Jul 2017, 5:18 PM #9
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We're all filthy socialist.
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15th Jul 2017, 2:50 PM #10
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Test has a lot of questions that are super nuanced with no option for a nuanced answer, but still fun to run through.

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15th Jul 2017, 7:57 AM #11
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DrewSpence:I think it depends on what you're trying to convey.
And/or HOW you want to convey it.

We gotta be careful not to assume anyone has an exact moment or formula in mind.
The guy who said it feels like a 'cop out' is probably speaking on a crutch when internal dialogue is used as a shortcut or to somehow make conveying an emotion easier. Um, there's my assumption. lol

I don't think he means EVERY TIME someone uses a thought bubble or has a narrator....

Plus, all these 'rules' are more personal leanings and no one can write rules for someone else's comic book(s).
-There are perhaps guides and rules for good [insert thing of interest] but HOW you choose to tell your story is... your story.

Each do what they think is best.


Yup this exactly. My second comic that's kinda gotten pushed to the wayside makes quite a bit of use of internal dialogue because it makes sense in that comic. For my main comic, though, it would be unnecessary and absolutely end up a crutch to excuse lazy story-telling.

Just do what fits the story you're trying to tell.
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15th Jul 2017, 1:23 AM #12
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Memoria Caelestie:wait what? why tho?


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15th Jul 2017, 1:05 AM #13
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Honestly a lot of things listed here as no-gos show up in you guys comics, lol. I read your stuff, I see your sin. It's all good having stuff you find fun in your work, just be honest about it. :P

I've only got a few "rules" for Catihorn.

1. No explicit sex scenes in comic (outside of the main comic I'll draw whatever, I just don't see a point in throwing it in the actual comic for this particular story)

2. No underage main characters. Getting really explicit incest porn fanart of underage characters for my first attempt at this comic has taught me rule 34 is a very real thing, might as well just remove the opportunity to take it too far.

3. Pretty much everything else goes, so long as it makes sense, or strikes me as fun enough to include. Nudity (pretty much none of it sexual), gore, weird psychological crap, etc is all fair game. This comic is ultimately heavily self indulgent, and something I do for fun lol.

4. No thought bubbles or exposition boxes. Basically if I can't portray it visually or through natural dialogue it's not going in. It forces me to get a lot better at expressions, conveying visual information, etc, and just feels like less of a cop-out.

Beyond that it's just basic stuff I stick to in all story-telling like keeping a consistent internal logic, and creating characters that feel real.
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11th Jul 2017, 9:46 PM #14
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Yeah I agree with Mem. Honestly your art is good, it's just hard to distinguish between things.

To help a bit, (just saying "it's too busy" isn't particularly helpful without a way to fix it) I think there are a few things you could do to fix that problem without using color. Honestly relying on color won't fix the main issue, so it's best to get the linework sorted first. The first is simply to cut out detail. As an example I literally just took out some detail from your most recent panel.

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Makes it much clearer what's going on, and doesn't overload the eye. All I did was color in more of the hair. Ideally you'd probably do that a bit cleaner, and not with your left hand in mspaint with a mouse, but basically a quick fix.

Second thing you could do is vary textures. Right now most of the "detail" in your comic comes in the form of straight line cross-hatching. It's the same on every surface; background, foreground, hair, skin, etc. Here's a random page from one of my favorite comics that's also pretty detail heavy.

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It's also got a lot going on in the linework, but because the textures are so different it's easy to distinguish between hair, the wooden walls in the background, the floor, etc. The screen-toning helps, but it would still work in pure black and white.

Honestly a combo of the two would take your work from good to great, and make it a lot easier on the eyes, and thus make it easier to tell what's going on. You really are doing good though, good work man. :)
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Result in thread: Adding a Subscribe Button
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7th Jul 2017, 11:27 PM #15
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I see a subscribe button on the comic you have. Pretty sure it's literally impossible to get rid of it using the simple layout editor.
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2nd Jul 2017, 11:03 PM #16
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Congrats on finishing your first chapter! Seriously, it's hard to stick with a comic that long and see it through, especially the first time you do it.

As for critique, I'm gonna start off with the bad, and finish with the positive.

Probably the most noticeable thing to me reading was honestly how visually similar your comic is to popular cartoons/characters. That's really not a good thing. Ideally a reader will look at your main character, and see the main character, not Rick from Rick and Morty in female form. (That one in particular is also strange as she looks significantly older than I'm assuming she's meant to be, she looks older than her mom) The main villain just looks like Zachary from OFF's cat mask. There are no original ideas, and you're always going to share some qualities with other works, but there's a point where things start to look like blatant rips of existing work. These things stick out, and detract from the story in a lot of ways, by first making an original work seem like a cheap copy, and by taking the reader completely out of the universe you're trying to build.

You're clearly putting in effort to create a comic of your own, and the best thing you could do for that is to move away from copying popular styles, and designs, and embracing your own ideas to create something new and interesting.

You've also got some anatomy issues, and I really recommend the universal advice to try drawing from life, and practicing realism as opposed to jumping right to cartoons. Specifically getting a grasp on base 3D shapes that go into making a human form will probably help.

You already know about the shading (mostly you just need a light source, and I'm actually going to recommend cell shading if you're sticking to such a heavily cartoony style), but a few other minor things could be fixed to immediately improve things. Using perspective lines to plot out backgrounds would help avoid some really simple mistakes I noticed, and line variation could help kill some of the stiffness your characters suffer from. Again the animation influence there is very obvious, and you seem to be applying some tactics normally used in mass produced animation to save on budget. Drawing a comic you have way more freedom to move away from stiff limbs, solid unchanging face shapes, etc. because you aren't having to draw and then animate the thing 8 million times. Take advantage of the medium and push things a bit more to actually take advantage of the dynamic posing you're using.

Onto good things, you do consistently try new poses, and backgrounds, and it makes the comic a lot more interesting, and dynamic. You've got some interesting panel compositions, and layouts, and with the text fixed in more recent pages it reads really well. You clearly do care about this, and you're doing a good job of trucking on, and I already see improvement through your first chapter. You've got a really solid foundation, just working on the issues you do have will give you a pretty good comic.
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Result in thread: Weird things about you.
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2nd Jul 2017, 4:36 AM #17
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AlphaCalibri:am i the only here who this happens to?


I do the same thing. My voice changes quite a bit depending on who I'm talking to and I can change it rapidly. Ranges from super cutsey girly voice to sounding like I've had a smoking problem my entire life.
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2nd Jul 2017, 3:14 AM #18
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Weird minor thing nobody cares about, my left pupil is shaped like pacman. The iris somehow got stuck to my cornea before I was born. I grew up thinking that eye was my normal eye and was weirded out when I realized most people have round pupils. I also somehow see way better out of that eye than the right one. Kinda wish I had lighter colored eyes so I could look full retro cartoon.
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Personality wise I guess probably one of the weirder things is that I have "rituals" I've been doing since I was a kid. No idea where they came from, or exactly when I started doing them, but I still get anxious if I don't do them. It's all minor random shit like having to eat things in a specific order, having to mess with the bedroom doors before I sleep at night to "keep things out", etc. That bedroom door one in particular has stuck hard, and I legitimately get violently anxious if I don't do it. I chock it up to kid me probably trying to stop myself from being scared of the horrific nightmares I had for a while. (and no it's not a mental illness or ocd, doesn't interfere with my life at all)
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2nd Jul 2017, 2:44 AM #19
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Honestly the best way to learn basics is to practice a lot of life drawing. Staring at things in the real world and figuring out how they work, and why they look like that will do you way better than any tutorial.

Is life drawing boring a lot of the time? Yes. But it's how you get better so that when you do simplify into a cartoon it comes out looking lively, and believable.

Also yes to the line tutorial linked above, it's the best I've found, and I probably would have linked it myself if someone hadn't beaten me to the punch lol
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1st Jul 2017, 3:30 PM #20
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I did u a resize

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