I also love to draw: hands, anatomy, landscapes, glowing lights, fighting, monsters, trees, clothes, textures, robots, tears, bruises, blood, smooches, cuddles, digital screens, beefy dudes, beefy ladies, and old people.
I don't like to draw: cars, ears, complex cityscapes, lace, dirt, realistic portraits, babies, reflections, intricate repetitive patterns, or food.
I keep having to rescue them from the shower when I turn it on because they're dumb and keep trying to make webs in there. But usually they make their big messy cobweb houses in the top corners of the living room and behind the stove, and in the low corners of the bathroom. Ever so often I have to go around and knock down a bunch of their houses though because they are messy dumb spiders that don't know how to make a nice web. They don't bite and are very tall and gentle and clumsy.
I keep them here because this shit cabin is old and dilapidated, so all manner of bugs like to come in and try to make a home here. Earwigs, wasps, big black beetles, carpet beetles, moths, shit spiders that bite me, fruit flies, boxelders, mosquitos, mosquito eaters, ladybugs, or even the rare lost honeybee.
The cellar spiders help me keep all the other pests' populations under control. So I take good care of them!
I deleted some old webcomics I posted back when I was a teen, they were pretty awful so no need to leave them up. I don't think I'll ever feel the same way about my current comic, but we'll see how I feel in 10 years!
I was wondering if anyone else was getting this! When I click on a link on the forum sidebar on the main page it sometimes does a popup redirect of some kind (only on mobile). It hasn't happened on any other website. I hope everything's okay.
Aw man I find that super stylish, actually. One of my favourite webcomic examples is Clementine, but Liz Suburbia does some pretty great animal head drawings too. I have so much fun drawing them too, I'm gonna make a few comics that are like that some day.
Sorry for jumping in, you just reminded me of something I'm very passionate about. :')
Anyway as for the thread topic on dislikes, I agree with Chippewa Ghost that starting a story with a character waking up and going through their morning routine is pretty lame. It's a boring cliche. Although, I actually love the cliche of a character waking up somewhere they don't recognize. It's very mysterious, exciting for me as a reader/viewer. I totally get that it's overdone and boring for others though lol.
And one of the biggest things I don't like is when good & evil is portrayed in a black & white fashion. Gimme those grey area characters. All of them. It's more multi-dimensional and fun! Friends and enemies can be all across the spectrum of good/evil, in extreme ways or in more moderate ones.
Babble_ON:No arguments there. But it's not just traffic. It's bragging rights, it's clout, it's support and attention. And I'm not saying those things can't be good for the ol' self-esteem and what have you. But everyone wants that, to be recognized for their hard work like that.
Well said, and that's my bad, since I'm not around CF as much as you. I don't see the bragging aspect and such, since this isn't my hangout place. I think our differing thresholds for suspicion are directly related to how much time we spend on the site. I only come to comicfury to lurk or update my comic, so I'm not as familiar with the...ah...values of the community.
Babble_ON:See, and one would think this'd work better at a glance, but cutting the problem up doesn't get rid of the problem. Then it's people feeling unrecognized in their own genre or bracket or what have you. And inactivity isn't as trackable or helpful as we might like. Cause people don't typically mark their comics inactive. Immensely popular ones from the past less so.
True. I wasn't suggesting it as a solution, mind you--just thinking aloud.
Babble_ON:Give me another underhanded insult and I'll humble you again. ;)
Please do, you could stand to learn a lesson in subtlety. ;)
Bryfang:it feels like you're the one that's being contrarian here.
What about the principality of it then?
The update was literally made to sort out inactive comics, then the very next day it was bypassed by one of the biggest offenders. Whether or not this place is niche, the niche users here of course are going to feel a certain kinda way about it. I just don't get why you're defending this so strongly, the writing is on the wall
I'm explaining it from my point of view. I'm not on a crusade to be right. What she did didn't bother me, I brought this up to better understand why it bothered the lot of you so much. And I don't think its fair to mob one person. But let me be clear, it isn't WRONG that her move made you guys upset. I just wonder if this is really why she did it.
Babble_ON:I don't think we misunderstood each other at all.
Babble_ON:While it is the first tab people see, I can guarantee the second is popular overall.
If you're like I was, you click something on the updated, see it's kind of mediocre. And then wonder what the creme of the crop is. And lo and behold, you click on the first because it's "Best".
I subscribed to Seed with my very first account back when I joined. Because I didn't know any comics and it looked good and I was new. And honestly, it took until I had a whole other account to actually filter through my subscriptions for things I've read or actually liked.
Being the first on popular overall is a powerful spot, don't downplay it. New people are going to click on it.
This is true, and if I remember correctly my first walk through the site was pretty much exactly that.
But the reality is that comicfury is a niche hangout place for (mostly) comic creators. If this were a high traffic site like Tapas or Webtoon I'd give it more thought. It just isn't. Being the "very top spot" on that tab doesn't even mean you get the most traffic. Case in point with very popular comics here like Datachasers, I Killed the Hero & Nightlight. I personally get most of my traffic from other websites.
So, I do agree with you that the popular tabs help for advertising, just not as much as you may think.
I think it'd be cool if CF had more "best of X" or "the most X" sections, really, particularly a tab that ranks the comics from most to least subs just like the search function does, but, many of those comics are dead or finished, so it'd be best if there could be an algorithm to keep inactive ones out (since I don't think that drive-by net surfers actually go to the search tab).
Real talk, though, I don't see why 6 other people voice concerns on this and suddenly I do and I'm being "contrarian" and a "fire-starter".
I mean, I'll gladly add the titles to my bag, but don't try and invalidate my points or concerns cause I'm a loose-cannon.
When I say you're contrarian, I'm referring to your role in many threads in the past. I know a few message boards that would love you!
Regardless I'm humbled that you've actually tried to talk to me without slinging insults.
Babble_ON:It doesn't matter if they're ranked or not ranked thematically in our minds, because numbers are involved and they ARE ranked. One IS at the top.
And people do get incredibly up in arms about what spot they hold, whether they're up or down, or on it anymore or not.
EDIT: That is, like, the entire reason people were clamoring for changes to Pop Overall, no?
They don't like that old comics can hold those spots forever, because they were very popular once.
I wasn't aware that people got upset about which specific rank they held? I don't think its worth the trouble. Every webcomic site has their own rating system, and there's nothing wrong with putting a separate list for the ones that have the most readers/subscribers/activity/etc. Comicfury is the userbase I've seen get the most upset about this. I mean at least our popular tabs actually rotate around every now and then? Just look at the top section(s) on Tapas, it's impossible to break into those. And yet I don't think its a bad thing to let new readers know which comics are the most read...
Because at this rate, I don't have a hard time seeing this be a fly by update just to keep that top slot.
And that notion pisses me off. Because this whole change was to filter out comics who had secured seemingly insurmountable spots on Pop Overall but hadn't been touched in forever. And the thought that somebody would be so vain and insecure that they would deny other people that joy just to for small-time webcomic dumpster bin internet fame makes me fucking pissed.
That's perfectly valid. I'm just a little skeptical my own self whenever several people jump on another user like this. I know I won't change anyone's mind by defending that comic. I just don't feel like it impedes the enjoyment of all the other beautiful, talented people on the site.
Babble_ON:Oughta do something with that doctorate in psychology you got there.
Just curious. From what I've seen previously you seem to be quite the fire-starter.
Epiale:And man, I could not give less of a shit if a particular comic is popular. I just think it's shitty that people who work their ass off to consistently put out updates are getting shafted in favor of something that's mostly hoarding a spot because it's simply been around forever and been the most well advertised comic for years.
Alright. What I don't understand is all the weight placed on the popular overall tab by the community, I suppose. Folks hate it for being 'overrun' with dead comics, even though only 13% of them actually are dead.
I understand why people's feelings are hurt, but I wouldn't call this blatant exploitation unless the comic in question keeps doing this systematically, or if there's a confirmation from the artist. And remember that this isn't the only place that CF's hardworking artists get exposure from. The most useful tab in my opinion is the recently updated tab, since it is the first thing any user sees when they drop onto CF's front page. That's a lot of free advertising any time a person posts a new page, no matter how many active subscribers they have.
Epiale: I think Abby is a bit shady too,
See Kelty's post. Abby updated before Kyo changed the rules.
Epiale:Hey, I'll throw in my word as someone likely to never be on the front page with no personal stake in it, this is clearly bullshit. There is just no way someone who hasn't been seen at all in such a long time just randomly happened to magically come back with filler art and vague promises of new pages just as they're kicked off the front page. If you honestly buy into that and think this is purely a coincidence I'm sorry but you're being naive.
I am not naive. I'm suggesting that it could be a coincidence, I accept the fact that it could have been on purpose as well. And if it was on purpose, I don't think it's that big of a deal because the filler art is just as good as a proper update (in my opinion).
I think you are quick to hate the comic in question because it is popular. Silver being in the second slot and my comic being in the third slot does not make us "second and third best" overall, and so on for all the other comics on this website. It's just active subscription numbers.
Babble_ON:Y'know, I was fine with the update. I was ready to give it the benefit of the doubt.
But given Kyo posted yesterday.
Given this isn't an actual comic page.
Given they haven't updated in two years.
Given they haven't even posted in the forum in two years.
I dunno, my suspension of disbelief has run thin.
I, mean, in all fairness, I don't doubt they thought it was innocent enough. But I really can't help but connect the dots here that this was the reason. I mean, c'mon.
It could be a coincidence, and it could be on purpose. If she did update again because of the rules, it motivated her to make something beautiful and share it with her readers, who haven't had any content in several years. The drawing was/is still relevant to the comic. I don't see the problem.
Babble_ON:God knows people can get pretty vain as soon as they get up there, much less hold the top spot for the last 3+ years.
:/ Dude.... why are you like this? I really don't understand your thought process when you walk into the forums here. Do you just want to be contrarian?
Are you guys forreal? The timing could very well be a coincidence, Abby Normal put up a similar post a few days ago for the same reasons. I don't think it's fair to jump on someone that likely doesn't even use this website anymore. The explanation she gave is something the fans of her story deserve. Wait it out and see what happens. I highly doubt anyone is going to abuse the new rules by posting filler art every 4 months.