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28th Feb 2014, 5:10 AM #21
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Gearfish informed me there was a draw your favorite comic/cartoon/game character thing going on here, so I decided to throw something together. Here's John DiFool from THE INCAL by Moebius, because it's been my comic obsession for the last 6 months. He's an ugly bastard who's forced to save the universe.
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27th Feb 2014, 8:10 PM #22
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How about nailing down production efficiency? Think about how you're making each page and which part of the process takes you the longest or could be faster (pencils? Inks? Colors? Scanning?). It helps to set a timer from start to finish and writing down how long it takes you to do each thing. And then when you figure out which one you're taking the longest to do, try to figure out what's keeping you from going faster and/or solutions to be speedier.

Some solutions that have helped me and other webcomic artists:
- Doing each part in batches instead of working one page from start-to-finish at a time (ex: spend a whole day doing inks for 5 pages instead of one day for a whole page).
- Getting used to hotkeys or reprogramming the hotkeys on your digital program of choice to your liking.
- Thumbnailing entire chapters at a time (you can fix it later).
- And of course, practicing drawing everything and anything.

On the note of colors (flats) taking a while, I've found that understanding the program you're using is VITAL to speed. There are multiple solutions to flatting, and you just have to mess with it to get the fastest results. Here's some:

- Get to know layer selection. If you get nasty white halos around your artwork after filling it in with the paint bucket tool, right click on your color layer and make a selection. Then, go on your top menu > Selection > Expand by 1-2 pixels (will be placed somewhere within this menu on most digital art programs). Fix it from there.
- "Pixelate" your inks by going the aliased route instead of anti-aliased. On Photoshop, you can use "Threshold" to pixelate your inks, and I'm sure other programs have their aliasing-equivalents. Paint bucket tools love it.
- Find a plugin that could help you. On Photoshop in particular, BPelt exists and I used it heavily in the past.
- Invest in a program that specializes in comic-making (and a good paint bucket tool). I freaking love Manga Studio 5 for this reason.

Anyway, good luck on the hiatus. To me, the hardest part about bouncing back after a long hiatus is the bouncing back part. It's hard to get back into the webcomic cycle once you've been out of it for so long.
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26th Feb 2014, 2:15 AM #23
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That happened to me a couple of weeks ago! I think there was a thread about that? I just uploaded the page on another image hosting site and used the external URL, but that's just in case of emergency.
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Alright, I changed the CSS body font from "Arial Narrow" to just plain "Arial" on my Cans of Beans page, which should be completely web safe. Let me know if that helps at all!
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27th Nov 2013, 10:37 PM #25
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If you want to test if it's a font problem, I don't mind changing the font of my site or my test site to see if it is a bad font-problem.
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8th Nov 2013, 5:35 AM #26
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Buzzard:

To me, a topic like this should have been nipped in the bud, especially if the OP expresses "disappointment" in being unable to portray CHILD RAPE (thus, the tone of how this topic would be portrayed has been set).


I'd disagree since being disappointed in portraying something doesn't imply you support it. Thus why the initial posts weren't a problem.


And with this post, I'm reminded again why I'm disgusted with this forum.

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I've said my part, and I hope that the forum experience might be improved later down the line for future forum-goers. It's been swell, guys. Thanks for hearing me out.
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8th Nov 2013, 5:12 AM #27
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Buzzard:

I'd like to answer this to prove the point that the forum's not too PC.

As I understand it, you're free to talk about child rape in the context of how that thread begun which I saw as someone who wanted to show more horrific things to get a more horrified reaction from their audience. This is perfectly fine in my opinion.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the problem was when that person elaborated on their reasons for doing so, it kinda fell into victim-blaming and I'm pretty sure we can all agree with that's a pretty shitty thing to talk about in a fashion that implies it to be truthful so then it was locked up.



The fact that the very topic title was worded "What you can't or shouldn't do [porn, murder, gore, perversion and other juicy stuff]" made me wary of its ulterior intentions. To me, a topic like this should have been nipped in the bud, especially if the OP expresses "disappointment" in being unable to portray CHILD RAPE (thus, the tone of how this topic would be portrayed has been set). I admit, this "nip it at the bud" policy requires insight, and insight requires a lot of reading, and reading takes time, which is a luxury for most people.

I also never stated that this forum is or isn't PC. My post was only about the inconsistency in moderation tone and policies. This forum can be the most vanilla, non-offensive, safe place in the world if it wants to be, but if the rules aren't enforced in a consistent manner, then what's the point.
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8th Nov 2013, 4:45 AM #28
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Posting here might be the worst idea I had all day, but so many of these posts hit home for me, and I'd like to voice my concerns, as I am one of those people that's been driven off this forum by my sheer disgust of it all.

I feel that the reason why a good number of people have expressed the feeling of "walking on eggshells" mostly comes from the inconsistency in how the rules are enforced and/or applied. Even now, I still don't quite know what is acceptable and what isn't, especially with more sensitive issues. For example, if saying words like "retarded" warrant an infraction, then how did a thread about CHILD RAPE get away with three pages worth of responses (not to mention that some of the mods on this site have actively contributed to that topic before it was shut down)?

And that thread isn't the only example of inconsistency in mod policies, there are many other instances where controversial threads have run their course longer than what should be allowed, based on the rules found on this corner of the forum. This is why I don't know what is allowed around here, and I'm sure that other members have felt the same way.

Another issue is the inconsistent tone in the very nature of infractions. I don't know if doing away with infractions will solve this problem, but the walking-on-eggshells feeling creeps up again when you're getting an infraction for posting a meme when SomeOtherCFPerson also got an infraction for raving about eugenics. Because the warning is named the same, the "Infraction" some dumb meme post gets feels like it's on the same level as that other guy posting racist remarks. Infractions might not be the straight-up answer, but I feel that a tiered system might work better instead (friendly PM for small rule breaks, infractions for repeat offenders, red flag warnings for the terrible stuff).

I understand that all the mods are human with their own lives and own opinions. But if you're going to have rules, they need to be enforced in a consistent manner, otherwise it'll confuse and otherwise alienate the userbase.

Alright, I'm out.
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12th Jun 2013, 3:36 PM #29
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Technically, Cans of Beans has been in production for a little over a year now. The story and script I banged out in 6 months + pre-production art. So... about a year and a half?

The other comic I'm collaborating on, Paranoia versus Paranoia, has been something that I've been brewing since middle school and has since been revamped over and over. I practically gutted the entire story and restarted all over again about 6-8 times because I could never find a good fit until now (and once, I even completed the story and decided it was total shit). I'm slowly building on the script, mostly because of how busy my life has become, and I hope that we can start putting pages out sometime next year.

In summary: comics are a labor of love.
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6th Jun 2013, 10:31 PM #30
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Buzzard:

I've never been angry enough to kill someone, been disgusted by someone enough to kill them, killed to achieve happiness, sad enough to kill myself or someone else, or even accidently killed someone. I can recognize and imagine how someone through one of those basic emotions can go to such lengths. I state that one can also recognize these emotions to invent a character in love.


Recognition does not equal understanding. I can recognize durian as a spiky Asian fruit that smells bad and tastes weird because people told me so, but I never comprehended the shitty pleasure that is the durian until I actually took a spoon and ate it.

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Lets say someone falls in love with Killjoy. Can he not write from their perspective? Lets say Killjoy watches two people fall in love. Can he not write their story? Lets say Killjoy wants to write about a character in love, can he not do so based on the experiences of others?

Of course, it's a challenge, but all writing should be. It's not based on HIS ability to understand the emotion but on HIS ability to recognize in a way that makes the audience understand it. I think he is capable of recognizing and imagining love in his stories.

According to you, Killjoy can't write characters with any emotions because emotions are universal to us and alien to him.



That's up for Killjoy to prove. My theory is that if you don't understand love, don't write it as it will come out contrived and awkward and your readers will be yawning or scratching their heads. If he can write a love story better than the most lovesick poet, then hats off to him. But in my experience of talking to writers, published or otherwise, it seems that Killjoy has quite the mountain to climb.

In the end, we're just arguing over semantics and different writing approaches.
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6th Jun 2013, 9:50 PM #31
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Buzzard:

What you're saying is that if you can't personally experience love, you can't understand it, and thus you shouldn't write about it.

Lets say I want to write about a murder, I shouldn't personally kill someone, but I can read about and understand the motivations of a murderer. I can write about them. Despite all the complicated abstract emotions that can be involved such as anger, disgust, fear, happiness, sadness, and surprise.

If I can understand the motivation of someone in love. I can write about it. Despite not personally experiencing it myself. Remember, you're not writing about yourself, but your characters.

I'd also place a safe bet on that a majority of people have never really experienced romantic love. Passion, yes. Love is a lot rarer. True love even more so.

Also, Mr.Killjoy is not a psychopath, he is capable of empathy, it's just hard for him to understand and communicate emotions having Aspergers. If he is capable of empathy, then he can recognize emotions that are being experienced by another sentient or fictional being. If he can recognize them, he can write about them.



You're not understanding me at all, as I've explained my point about murder in a previous post, and I quote myself, "Historical events, settings, boat fires, murders, etc. are all things that cannot (or shouldn't) ever be fully experienced and do require research." There are some things that need research, and murder falls into that category.

But love, one of the most basic of human experiences, isn't something one can just research, as with all other emotions. You may never be a murderer (and I do hope you won't), but you can probably imagine the sort of things that are going inside that murderer's head: fear, hatred, anger, regret, ecstasy, etc. And the reason why you CAN imagine these things is that you've experienced these emotions before, but not the act of murdering itself.

Love, happiness, sorrow, anger, etc. are all building blocks into the key to understanding how to write something because they are universal in its experience. You may never walk in the shoes of a knight in a faraway land, a child in a wartorn country, or a pilot on a voyage to an unknown world, but you can write them with this combination of research and understanding their character, which comes from understanding the emotions they experience.

Meeting someone who has ever truly experienced true love? Uncommon, sure. But many people in some point in their lives have fallen in love, developed a crush, became infatuated with another, etc. Which is why there are more stories about falling in love rather than developing true love.
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Buzzard:
You don't consider love a theme?

me:
but love is a universal theme

What.

Buzzard:In comes research and imagination. If you decide to do it, you better do damn well to convince the audience. If you can convince the audience and 'get away with it', you're a fine writer. Killjoy is trying to do this.

Also don't see it as a love story, but a story. In all facades of life, you'll find love. Parental love, romantic love, platonic love, etc. Writing a story intending to avoid all signs of something you don't understand would make for a very awkward story.


And I'm saying that it would be very difficult or nearly impossible to get away with it on the subject of love. Love is an incredibly powerful emotion that drives many people on a daily basis. Some people have devoted their entire lives to finding love, some will even kill for love. And if psychologically Killyjoy is unable to experience this one emotion, it would be hard to transcribe.

I have read many stories and met many authors who have wrote about subjects who have never experienced the subject they are writing about before. But these subjects are researchable. If you're writing about a beekeeper, you can go outside and interview a beekeeper yourself. If you're writing about an impoverished family, you may very well know someone who is struggling with putting food on their table. But love is an abstract emotion. You can interview all the couples you want, but at its very core, if you don't understand why your characters are in love with each other, you're going to have a hard time writing romance between them.

And yes of course it's a story first, "love story" second. I'm using the term "love story" as a catch all since we are talking about love here.
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Buzzard:
I mean thematically you shouldn't be writing something that you cannot comprehend or have never fully experienced.


You're contradicting yourself with the following.

When it's something you don't know, but you are interested in, you will take the time to research it out


Which is what Killjoy is doing, having an interest in something he doesn't understand but wishes to use in his writing so he's researching it which in my opinion makes for better writing.

Take note that you are also writing for an audience that understands love BETTER than you do.


I shouldn't write about a female character because I'm not one? I've never experienced being a female but I do live and interact with females. I can understand females, I don't have to live something to write about it if I can observe it.


The key word is theme. Historical events, settings, boat fires, murders, etc. are all things that cannot (or shouldn't) ever be fully experienced and do require research, but love is a universal theme that most people have experienced some time in their life. Trying to write a love story when you've never fallen in love is like writing a story about a modern-day Japanese family living in Japan for Japanese people when you've never stepped foot in Japan before. You can do it, but your audience is going to notice the awkwardness.

The female character example does not apply, unless you think of women as "females" first and humans second. And let's not get started on that train.
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Buzzard:

Any decent work of art will be a challenge. I see way too many stories that are too personal, only important to the author. As a writer you should write for your readers.


I somewhat agree. I personally feel like you should write what interests you best, but at the same time, write with the idea that an audience will be reading this and you are responsible for entertaining them.

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A good example, although the director did run with the brotherhood, the rest of the story wasn't lost to it. It would have made for a rather boring story if we only saw Moses and his brother because that's all the director cared about.

We saw Moses with his family, the mistreatment of his people, his journey in the wilderness. All these things make the story with Moses and his brother all the more potent.



She knew that she had to present the Biblical story of Moses leading the Israelites out of Egypt, that was a given and that's what she was paid for. But certainly, the brotherhood between Moses and Ramses drove a lot of the fire throughout the story, which is something no other retelling of the same story has quite shown. And that, I think, is where remakes and new adaptations of a source material gets interesting.
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mr.Killjoy:
You should note that I myself am interested; and it was my sister's request. I can't deny her that. Besides, I never write something I don't want to. I'm psychically inferior, not stupid.

It doesn't matter if it's your sister or your mother or your best friend in the world. This is your story, not theirs. There is only one person in the world with your perspective, and that's you. If they want to write romance, let them do it.


mr.Killjoy:
You're clearly not a writer if you state that.
I never encountered a demon, never visited Bradford and never killed a businessman in his own office with a retro-phone. From your words I should not write that. From your words I should write only about how to live in the city of Kherson, visit theatre and lean philology.


And I'm not a Portuguese werewolf nor a dude that parties hard and runs around with headphones.
You're taking my word too literally. When I say, "don't write what you don't know," I mean thematically you shouldn't be writing something that you cannot comprehend or have never fully experienced. When it's something you don't know, but you are interested in, you will take the time to research it out (such as historical events or settings) and that's fine and dandy, but there are certain subjects and very broad themes, like love, that is very hard to write about if you have never experienced it. Take note that you are also writing for an audience that understands love BETTER than you do.

Also, saying "you're not a writer" is incredibly shitty. :|
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Buzzard:
On the other side of the coin, I also think that as a writer of fiction you should be able to and strive to write about what you don't know.

How many auto-biographies do you keep close to your heart? How many complete works of fiction do you keep close to your heart in comparison?

I'm not saying to write while avoid writing about yourself. It's a good start, but I feel that's all it should be, a start. A sketch.

“From all things that you know and all those you cannot know, you make something through your invention that is not a representation but a whole new thing truer than anything true and alive.”

- Ernest Hemingway



Writing for something you don't know can be a challenge! But that's why I'm a hobbyist writer rather than a paid professional one.

Actually, on that subject, I had the privilege of hearing a lecture from Brenda Chapman, the co-director of Pixar's Brave and Dreamwork's The Prince of Egypt. When she was thrown into working on Prince of Egypt, she was stuck working on a story she did not care for: it's a Bible story set in Ancient Egypt, two things she wasn't crazy about. She did the research of course, but research can only take you so far. She still disliked it.

...Until she decided to dig around and try to find the one thing that she did like about it, and it came in the form of the brotherhood between Moses and Ramses. That, to her, humanized the whole story and made it bearable and eventually enjoyable to work on. Her recommendation to anyone working on a story or a subject that doesn't drive you wild is to sift through the sand very carefully and find the one thing you like about it, and run with it.
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I think, as a writer, you're asking the wrong question here. You should never write something just because a few readers think it would be better to have a romantic subplot-- no. This is your story, this is the kind of world and characters that you want to present to people, and if it's not supposed to have any romance in it, then avoid it. If you can't fall in love, or have never fallen in love, it's best to just not write about it. It'll just come off as contrived and awkward.**

As writers, we write subjects that are personally dear to our hearts. Write what you want, not what people think is a good idea.

**Edit because of misunderstandings: This concerns themes. Of course you'll research the hell out of whatever your story is about, especially historical events, settings, world economies, whatever. But when it comes to life themes, such as love, which is an almost universal experience to most people and especially your audience, it will be hard to write about it if you've never experienced it and your writing will probably come out awkward. See my answers below for more details.
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I always write out the whole story and script out all the dialogue well ahead of time. I spend a ridiculous amount of time per page, so the way I see it, if I'm going to spend an insane amount of hours of my time on this, I better make sure everything story and writing related is working beforehand, or else I'd be spending my hours and effort on a story that only maaybe is working.

However, making up the story and dialogue as you go along is fun in its own spontaneous way.
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Let's not turn this into a thread about gender politics. This is about one bad moderator on SmackJeeves, regardless of the mod's gender.

Karolina, a bunch of CFers do have grievances with SmackJeeves (or DrunkDuck for that matter), but I think this might be better off in the Venting Thread. But regardless, I do think ComicFury is a pretty nice to be, and I'm glad you could join us.
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I'm doing this comic thing. Or I would be, if I stopped procrostinating and started WORKING ON IT. I could use some butt-kicking for this matter?


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