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27th Jun 2017, 10:54 PM #1
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merlinnia:Meat Lovers Special.


AAHHHH last night I honest-to-goodness dreamt I looked in my updates and Meat Lovers Special was at the top!!!! Is this a sign?!?
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Listening to an audio Bible helps! There are loads of free ones online. And The Bible Project makes gorgeous short videos giving background and overviews of each book of the Bible and explaining important themes.
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19th Jun 2017, 2:06 AM #3
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Aha, I don't really wanna tell the entire internet exactly where they can find me on a Sunday morning. I'll PM you though. :D
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19th Jun 2017, 1:46 AM #4
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nearmintmill:i attend an Assemblies of God church ( a pentecostal denomination)

Same!

Dave Schmidt:If a church recognizes things like the Trinity, the Bible as God's word, Christ as God's son, and the death and resurrection of Christ as the payment for our sins and our way to Heaven, that's what really matters.

Also same!
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18th Jun 2017, 3:22 AM #6
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This is life-changing. :')
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I made Nova a fire mage/crossbow user in Skyrim. I would have liked to have made a werewolf Loup or archer Elgin, but the men in Skyrim look like they exfoliate with sand paper.
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Bolderousness:First of all, its good you (Roux) wanted to clarify it in a more positive light for others. I think it builds upon the discussion while also educating others, including me.

Awesome. This is all I could hope for.

Now to publicly clarify. The whole reason as to why I said "Now if someone can give me an argument saying that these can totally be interpreted differently, than by all means, share them" was because I didn't want to sound like I knew it as fact and I knew someone would correct this interpretation I laid out. You're right, I am ignorant about traditional Christian interpretation. I just did a quick google search, which I admitted in the post, and bam. That verse was there, and anyone can just do that. That was exactly my point. My point in response to Shrek was that it's easy to interpret it with a Draconian moral to spread violence, which was more important to me than trying to make an argument specifically against the bible. I said it "sounds like some pretty deliberate fear tactics that something like ISIS would endorse." Everything about the post was more targeting the fallacy that just promoting religion will somehow bring world peace, but I can understand how others can see how it can sound like I'm also attacking the Christian religion.

Sure, and it's a point I wouldn't argue. Anyone can abuse anything to serve their purpose, but that practice should reflect on the culprit and not their source material. I'm happy to defend scripture itself and the doctrines born from it, but if Jesus won't defend everyone claiming to be a Christian, I certainly won't aspire to. People do the wrong thing. Sometimes they pretend God supports them. The lesson to me seems that a better shot at promoting peace would be to promote good exegesis.

Also, thank you for taking my use of the word "ignorance" more as I intended, not as an insult but as a simple "not knowing"- there are plenty of things (read "most") about which I'm quite ignorant. XD

Also to clarify, I referred to the verse as "this shit" because of my unrestrained mouth. Sometimes, I can call anything "this shit." For example: A personal friend gets me some weird fashion accessory and I go "What is this shit?" And when I get into a debate, some parts of decency elude me. Doesn't totally excuse the tactless word choice, so I wont press that further. Learning experience; I'll be more tactful with my word choice when it comes to delicate subjects in the future.

Thanks, that helps. XD Either way, it supported my point, which was that you were referring directly to the source material and not an interpretation offered by anyone else.

halibabica:Lol, it looks like we all simultaneously understood and misunderstood at once. My bad, carry on. XD

What a comedy of errors! No worries, lol.
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Bold made it clear that he himself believed the verse to sanction the killing of anyone who opposes a priest:

1. He referred to the verse itself as "this shit."

2. He described the verse itself as "pretty deliberate fear tactics that something like ISIS would endorse"

3. He only offered an excuse to the verse for its being in the OT and perhaps no longer relevant (revealing further the depth of his ignorance of traditional Christian interpretation)

4. He opened the floor for alternate interpretations to his own.

I interposed expressly to answer his invitation and correct an error on his part, regardless of his point, which I said in my post. It may be of little consequence to you if people believe and spread misinformation about scripture, but I feel compelled to correct it when I see it.
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Bold:
The man who acts presumptuously by not listening to the priest who stands there to serve the LORD your God, nor to the judge, that man shall die; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel. Then all the people will hear and be afraid, and will not act presumptuously again.
That was a quick google search, and it also sounds like some pretty deliberate fear tactics that something like ISIS would endorse. Now you can argue that's from the Old Testament and doesn't hold much ground...

Now if someone can give me an argument saying that these can totally be interpreted differently, than by all means, share them,

Hi, I know the topic has moved on a bit, but it was brought up and contradiction was welcomed and your friendly neighborhood knowing-a-bit-about-the-Bible Roux is here to clear things up, mostly because I had been meaning to look it up and then today it literally came up in my audio Bible listening and the context made the meaning extremely clear.

Which is why I just wanna remind everyone that when you discuss the Bible, or anything really, context is really really important. Quick Google searches rarely yield depth of understanding. I'd also like to point out that I'm not here to weigh in on the broader "role or misuse of religion in warfare and violence" discussion. I'm literally just explaining the Deuteronomy verse.

The Context:
[spoiler]So. In this case, the context is legal proceedings. This whole chapter is about witnesses, evidence, inquiry, deliberation, and sentencing. Judges were appointed to handle these things, but if it was a really difficult case the judges handed it onto the "Supreme Court" of the day, the priests. I know that's shocking and weird to modern people, but the priests were bound to obey the law as much as everyone else, so the expectation was that there would be no hanky panky, bribery, or favoritism.

So by the time you get to this verse, what we're talking about is that the Supreme Court hands down a ruling based on a lot of carefully directed deliberation of facts and evidence. They decide that Jacob did indeed exhibit negligence in leaving a giant pit on his property, and that he's responsible to pay for the time Abraham has to take off of work, since he fell in the pit and broke his leg. And is Jacob going to balk and refuse to pay after this case has been through several courts? Um, no. He's not. Because if he refuses to pay he gets the death penalty. Again, shocking to a modern person and unpleasant to think about, but important to recognize the distinction. This is a very narrowly defined situation that comes at the end of an even-handed legal process which the "presumptuous man" is expected to respect. It is NOT the priest saying "go kill infidels or go [insert creepy command], and if you don't we'll kill you." The priest had no such power.

If you'd like to discuss this verse or Biblical interpretation further, feel free to PM me. I don't want to derail the topic, I just don't like leaving misinterpretations floating out there unaddressed.[/spoiler]

On the main topic of world peace, I have no suggestions to offer that anyone would want to hear. I can only echo WanderingJew's concern that a lot of the suggestions have been creepy to say the least. They suggest an implicit understanding that there's something about human nature preventing the realization of "utopia."
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One of my new faves:

Heat some sesame oil in a pan. Add ginger + garlic, about a tsp each or to your taste, let that cook a few minutes. Add half a pound cubed chicken, cook that through. Add onion and/or a jalapeño if you're not morally opposed to vegetables or spiciness. In a bowl mix 2 tbps each soy sauce, orange marmalade, barbecue sauce. Throw in some sesame seeds if you have 'em. Pour that mix over your chicken, let it cook another few min to get gooey and stick to the chicken. Serve it up over rice. Eat it with chopsticks. It tastes better.
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My brother and I set up an elaborate set of criteria, ran some twenty episodes through it awarding scores for different categories through lengthy discussion, and the result was Timechasers.

We then said "Screw that, it's Space Mutiny."

Timechasers is still up there, though. And Hamlet is great! "Oh, you want Hamlet? I'LL GIVE YOU HAMLET."
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You might have better luck at GlutenFury.
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If by sandwiches you mean artistic rage....





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If you mean having lots of ideas for different stories, yeah, I have some thoughts!

Get a sense of how much time is available and how much time your projects take.
This is something I'm actually pretty bad at still, but when you have a sense of how much time is required to do something you know whether it's feasible to start it now or table it.

Keep a notebook or scrapbook or computer folder for your ideas.
Sometimes now is not the right time for your project. I have two potential story ideas that I know I need to ruminate on to do them right. Besides the fact that they're not very developed, I already have other comics and other obligations to keep me busy. But I can do these ideas justice by holding onto them and revisiting them as the muse revisits me. When I start working on one or both of these projects in earnest they'll be really ready to go, rather than a spark that I ran off with before I knew which direction I was facing. Hold onto those ideas and get to them later. Later will come. Just being able to tell yourself that you're not throwing an idea away can really help you quiet your mind about it. BUT...

Not all ideas are worth your energy.
Some ideas are cool and fun and exciting, but not really worth your time and energy. You need to learn how to focus on the things you're really passionate about and remind yourself why that trumps the other options. If you're a creative person, you will always have more ideas than you have time. Separate out the things that don't go much further than "wouldn't it be cool if..." and keep the things with the potential to be something bigger.

There might be more, but it's 2AM and I can barely see straight! Hopefully these help and are at least mostly coherent.
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Tibbittz, what I take exception to here is not the portrayal of a Christian or religious person as an antagonist or villain. That's well and good and can be done to excellent effect, without maligning believers in general or the offices they hold (see: my girl Jane Austen). What bothers me is that you either are deliberately or perhaps through a lack of understanding, defending a really harmful specific stereotype which is a disservice to everyone. Except you're not really defending it, because none of your examples really relate to it. Specifically the fact that the character is a "religious nut" and a "Flanderized zealot." This character is pervasive, is shallow and underdeveloped, and is, I hope you can agree, unhelpful in furthering any cause. When used, all it does is prove to Christians that you, the secular world, do not understand or respect us.

Additionally, by broadening the brush stroke of the trope to include all people who identify themselves as religious and also do bad things you're either, again, missing a key characteristic of the trope or revealing a disturbing belief that maybe you hold. The villain is supposed to be a nut. A person fixated on an idea so firmly that he is otherwise unhinged. So either everyone who purports belief is a nut... or they become a nut when they do bad things? Again, this is why I'm a bit shocked by this "most of the real-world villains" stuff. Are most of the people in the world, or most of the people doing bad things, fervently religious? To the point of mental instability? I sincerely hope you don't think this. I sincerely hope you just missed the nut part.

So what I'm getting at is that you're not defending a trope. I don't think there's a trope for "original, well-written, nuanced villains who are driven by their personal beliefs." Unfortunately, we have to just take those as they come. You can defend the Religious Nut Villain trope if you like, but I hope you wouldn't want to.
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But Mister Paradigm was specifically complaining about "the religious nut in a priest outfit"??

its real-world counterpart dominates real-life villainy.

most of the real-world villains

Bull?

or perhaps more appropriately...

The Christian replies, ‘Don’t talk damned nonsense.’
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GMan003:I would have listed people like Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before Mel Gibson as a real-world religious-nut villains...

Freaking honestly, though.

On a related topic though, it drives me up a wall when writers/characters mis-quote and mis-attribute the Bible. And for the literal love of all that is good and holy, Stop. Saying. Revelations.

But seriously, unless your character is Harry Powell and is supposed to be manipulating scripture to pull the wool over peoples' eyes, please try to use it appropriately. Also, if you do have a Harry Powell, mega bonus points for having an awesome gun-toting granny who knows her Bible and sends him packing.
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All Summer Long has the dual distinction of mentioning the less-bad "Sweet Home Alabama" and ALSO making me think I'm going to get to hear the much better Werewolves of London. It also rhymes "things" with "things" so really, is there anything this song has going for it.
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"No a fence" oh no X'D
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