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31st Jul 2017, 9:59 PM #1
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Seabiscuit:So basically hosts need to have like, a list of the included roles? Do they need to explain what each role does or just have a list? (Well, I'd imagine you want them to explain the role anyway if using REALLY unconventional names or something)

Yes, they need to list and explain the roles. It's worth noting that no role is obvious by name to new players. It should be up to the host to make the game accessible; new players shouldn't be expected to have to do research to figure out how to play.

Would they be allowed to list like, "Investigator, Guardian, [Secret]" for hidden roles?

Yes, but I'd want hidden roles to be limited to like, one per game most of the time. And even then...

2) The way the deadchat and all works now is super cool and a major improvement, but how can it be regulated? Uh, I mean, like, normally in the past a dead player can sub in for a veggie as long as they didn't enter the deadchat. With chatzy you could see who joined. What about now? Should a host ask a dead player first if they want to give up the ability to sub in in exchange for being allowed into the deadchat?

Echoing Kyo here, yup, a host should absolutely ask that.

e: Oh, and would "closed" games still be allowed sometimes under maybe experienced hosts or such? It'd be cool to have 'classic' rounds now and then

Yes, but it has to be cleared by myself or Nama. I'd like to point out that "classically" the games weren't closed setups; the roles used to be freely known by default.
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I more mean "no closed setups", but I didn't want to use much jargon. So all the roles in your game should be publicly known.

The motivation for this is twofold. First, lots of games lately have been closed, and I don't believe they've gained much by being closed, while they've added to confusion for players and made the game more intimidating for new players. Second, a lot of closed role games has lead to a lot of discussion over the nature of the game rather than the players in the game, which is not the point - if you want to run a game that involves figuring out the rules, that should be a different game.

There are exceptions of course. We used to run games with a single hidden role (...though it usually turned out to be a mercenary). Closed setups work really well sometimes. But you have to be pretty switched on about how the games work to begin with to be able to pull these off properly. The first game you host definitely shouldn't be closed.

So the easiest rule in my opinion is a blanket one: No hidden roles, unless you clear it with myself or Nama. When I say "clear it with us" I should point out we don't plan to be terrible about this kind of stuff, but we want you to at least justify why you need hidden roles in the first place. And maybe you'll realise you don't, and your game will be better for it.

The gist of it is: Games should be open by default, not closed by default.
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Hey folks, hijacking this thread to talk about the general state of mafia-related affairs, as this is as good a place as any to talk about it!

If you haven't noticed, there's a brand new mafia sticky in the Forum Games section, with a little intro to mafia for new players and a list of upcoming games. We're working on rewriting the hosting rules, too, since a) they're pretty unclear right now and b) hosts seem to be ignoring them.

In particular, we're planning to introduce some concrete rules for upcoming games: no secret roles, no misleading roles (insane seer, etc.), some quality control on setups, and a much tighter player cap (probably below 20 players, and maybe even as low as 16). This is intended to make mafia more accessible to new players, end quicker (so people can get back into games sooner and hosts get less tired), and be less frustrating (especially for newer or less-engaged players). It's worth mentioning that some of these things have already been rules, but again, it's kinda hard to follow the rules list right now.

I'm super interested in opinions on this, so if you have opinions then make them known either in this thread or by PM! I really want to hear what y'all think about mafia.

I also want to draw attention to the other Forum Games sticky. It's worth remembering that Forum Games is just as part of the forums as any other forum on the site, and the standard rules apply. It's sometimes a little difficult or awkward to report stuff that happens in games, but I encourage you to do so! Nama is a very friendly moderator and is more than happy to take PMs about these things, and if you don't like Nama, you can even PM myself or Kyo.
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List of past games

With much thanks to Kojiru and Seabiscuit for keeping track of many of these!

<br />
Mafia	Host		Victory			Thread ID	Theme<br />
============================================================================================<br />
I	Sprite		Town			4943		Vanilla<br />
II	Sprite		Town			5118		Mafia vs Wolves vs Village<br />
III	Sprite		Neutral         	5411		Vanilla<br />
IV	Matthew		Mafia    		5686		Traitors in the Mafia<br />
V	Sprite		Town			6071		Apocalypse<br />
VI	Matthew		Mafia/Idiot/Survivor    6352		Role madness<br />
VII	Capps		Town			6703		Blood hotel<br />
VIII	Potsie		   			7257/7125	Mechanical mansion<br />
IX	Matthew		Mafia/Idiot      	7634		Vanilla<br />
X	Sprite/Matthew	Mafia			7962		Wolves vs Mafia/Kevinsters<br />
XI	Sarah/Zomburai	Town			8279/8277	Cyberpunk<br />
XII	Sprite		Town			8792		Valve<br />
XIII	Matthew/Xsera	Mafia			9004		Mansion<br />
XIV	Frosty/Xsera	Mafia			9286		Fantasy v Mystery<br />
XV	Sprite/Matthew	Mafia           	9459		Double agents<br />
XVI	Meed		Town			9723		Return to Mansion<br />
XVII	Sleepy		Town			9922		Office<br />
XVIII	Spinnerlink	Town			10125		Closed vanilla<br />
XIX	NekoSuave	Mafia			10272		Movie<br />
XX	Matthew/Ally	Mafia			10457		Game show! :D<br />
XXI	Thatguy/Matthew	Town			10869		Monastery<br />
XXII	Sprite		Town			11097		Super High School Level Mafia<br />
XXIII	Lee V./Nightsky	Mafia			11291		Noir<br />
XXIV    Kojiru          Mafia                   11528           Science!<br />
XXV     Matthew/Thatguy Town                    11703           ??<br />
XXVI    Paul/OFools     Mafia                   11885           -<br />
XXVII   Loungegecko     Town                    12177           Suspect everyone!<br />
XXVIII  NekoSuave       Town                    12329           Lockdown <br />
XXIX    Sivrus          Mafia                   12524           -<br />
XXX     Matthew/Roku    Mafia                   12655           SWITZERLAND<br />
XXXI    Nightsky        Mafia                   12873           Winter<br />
XXXII   Ranger          Mafia/Mafia             13268/13269     Twin towns<br />
XXXIII  Sabrini         Town                    13535           Infection<br />
XXXIV   Cynic           Town                    13810           -<br />
XXXV    MatthewJA       Mafia                   14049           Friendly camping fun time<br />
XXXVI   Jesse/Paul      Mafia                   14980           Items<br />
XXXVII  Vgamer          Mafia                   15334           TV shows<br />
XXXVIII Nama            Mafia                   15704           Oblivion<br />
XXXIX   Lounge/Orange   Town                    15885           Postal service<br />
XL	MatthewJA	Town			16155		Mafia themes<br />
XLI     Ranger          Mafia                   16429           Death of logic<br />
XLII    CynicaIdealist  Town/Neutral            16618           Plagiarism of worlds<br />
XLIII   DaMoreFishy     Mafia                   16770           Youth Hostel<br />
XLIV    Spaces          Mafia                   16991           Mafia Adventure!<br />
XLV     MatthewJA       Town                    17284           Sailor Moon communists<br />
XLVI    Malamute.pup    Mafia                   17702           Double and triple bluffs<br />
XLVII   I-Ninja         Town                    17994           Regicide<br />
XLVIII  TheOneBlueGecko Mafia                   18505           School&#039;s back in session!<br />
XLIX    Nama            Town                    18707           ComicFury Edition<br />
L       MatthewJA       Mafia                   18931           Island mystery<br />
LI      Kojiru          Town                    19220           Reverse Mafia!<br />
LII     Thatguy         Mafia                   19532           Robot Masquerade<br />
LIII    Kyo                                     19819           Hotel Vacation<br />
LIV     Biophysicist    Town                    20228           Mafia in Space!<br />
LV      MatthewJA       Draw                    20495           AU murder mystery<br />
LVI     Seeen/___       Town                    21515           Mafia: The Metagame<br />
LVII    Nama            Mafia                   21747           Malice in Wonderland<br />
LVIII   Inky/Rem        Mafia                   22061           Rise of the Blood Princess<br />
LIX     AAABatteries    Town                    22417           Video game<br />
LX      MatthewJA                               22831           COMPLETELY VANILLA<br />
LXI     Xeno            Town                    23332           Oblivion<br />
LXII    Kojiru          Mafia/Neutral           23472           Westeros<br />
LXIII   Darkus          Neutral                 23756/23888     Role clock<br />
LXIV    Inky            Mafia                   24708<br />
LXV     Flutesalute     Town                    24148           Into the Woods<br />
LXVI    MatthewJA/Seeen Mafia                   26012           ComicFuryVille<br />
LXVII   Nama            Town                    26507           The Anime<br />
LXVIII  Xeno                                    26813           Eternity&#039;s Aristeia<br />
LXIX    Kiybgecz        Mafia                   27106           Prom<br />
LXX     MatthewJA/Inky  Town                    27524           Tales from Mount Creek<br />
LXXI    Mimi/Inky       Mafia                   28450           Teletubbies<br />
LXXII   Pandas/Sea      Town                    28619           The Asylum<br />
LXXIII  Shrek                                   28796           WWII<br />
LXXIV   Keljan          Mafia                   29001           The Grinning Gator Inn<br />
LXXV    ProRevo         Mafia                   29405           Megachat<br />
LXXVI   Rem/Shrek       Town                    29569           Spacemen in Abondance<br />
LXXVII  Nyomi           Town                    32457           The Show Must Go On!<br />
LXXVIII Nama            Mafia                   32938           Absolutely Vanilla<br />
LXXIX   Shrek           Mafia/Neutral           33178           The Rec Center<br />
LXXX    Kyo             Mafia                   33337           We are SPIES!!<br />
LXXXI   Nama            Mafia                   33600           Masquerade Manor<br />
LXXXII  Shrek           Mafia                   33850           Mafiaception<br />
LXXXIII Text                                    34014           A Long Day<br />
LXXXIV  ProRevo<br />
LXXXV   Nyomi<br />
LXXXVI  Keljan<br />
LXXXVII MatthewJA<br />
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WW	Host		Victory		ID<br />
============================================<br />
I	Linden		Wolves		2797<br />
II	Linden		Village		2872<br />
III	Superpie	Wolves		3018<br />
IV	Magravan	Village		3154<br />
V	Tamdrin		Wolves		3237<br />
6	Jacob		Village		3352<br />
VII	Frosty		Wolves		3509<br />
VIII	JimiRaffety	Village	        3682<br />
IX	Cyborg		Village		3753<br />
X	Kristy		Wolves		3948<br />
XI	Superpie	 		4120<br />
XII	Frosty		Wolves		4680<br />
13	Ranger		Wolves		4965<br />
XIV	Sarge		Wolves		5561<br />
XV	Lalaland/Matt	Wolves		7049/6986<br />
XVI	Matthew		Wolves		8627<br />
XVII	Sprite		Wolves		8967<br />
XVIII	Macey		Wolves		9501<br />
XIX	Xseraphiim	Town		9668<br />
<br />
MISC    Host            Victory         ID<br />
=================================================<br />
XX	Frosty/Kristy	Wolves		10328<br />
CXLVII  Sleepy/Matthew  Town            11396<br />
@I      Bio/Haim        Town            12962<br />
DF      Magravan/Skrael Jedi            8362/8363<br />
MvM     Zanreo/Inky     Town            21666<br />
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What's Mafia?
Mafia is an ongoing series of forum games (we've played over 100 now!). Each game is independent — you don't need to read the others to join in!

How do I play?
A small number of players will be "the mafia". The rest of the players ("the town") don't know who the mafia are. The mafia aim to kill the town until there are as many mafia players as there are town players, and the town aim to eliminate all the mafia!

There are alternating day phases and night phases. Each lasts 24 hours. In the day phase, everyone discusses the state of play, and votes for people they think are mafia — the player with the most votes dies. In the night phase, the mafia can kill a player of their choosing. Some players will have special roles that can perform actions during in the night phase too; these will be explained by the host. All role actions are done by PMing the game host.

That's it! Join a game and have a fun time. You can invest as little or as much time as you like as long as you're voting each day (until you die, I guess).

How do I join in?
Someone hosts a new game every few weeks. Add your name to the list they post and you're in.

What kinds of roles are there?
Lots! This is generally up to the host, but you might see people talking about:
- The Detective, a role that can find out whether a player is mafia each night, and
- The Bodyguard, a role that can save a player from being killed by the mafia each night.

How do I run a game?
Ask Nama or myself very nicely. Hosting is considerably more exhausting than it looks, so make sure you're up for it. I recommend having a cohost. Depending on whether you've hosted before, we might ask you to discuss your setup with us, just to make sure everything will go smoothly. ComicFury has a built-in system for mafia and dead player communication that works just like the Noticeboard. A moderator will give the current host/s access upon request. If you're the current host, you can access the Mafia Control Panel here.

For now, you can check out the detailed hosting guidelines here — we're working on improving these.

Upcoming games:
LXXXIV: Pro Revo
LXXXV: Nyomi
LXXXVI: Keljan
LXXXVII: MatthewJA
LXXXVIII: ???

Questions? Comments? Send me a PM.
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AJHunter:In response to the definition of med ave as "the place where threads that don't fit other places go" rather than "the place where worthless threads go," I present to you the front page of the forum:

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"Worthless or bloggy threads, and anything else"


Already responded to this:

MatthewJA:The description on Mediterranean Avenue is wrong (and has been for a long time) - it's not a forum for spamming, it's a forum for misc topics that don't fit into the other categories.


It's also remarkably unclear in that description that by "worthless", Kyo didn't mean threads that have literally no content, but I assure you that that is not the intention
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Woah, not sure how I missed this thread for so long. Moved to Advertisement.
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well this was a disaster

Gman: Stop insulting people, please.
Everyone else: Stop ganging up on Gman. Exercise that report button, please!
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Just because you think a thread isn't worth reading, doesn't give you the right to kick it off the front page, though.
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I agree with Bold - can y'all cool down a bit?
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maybe, but then nobody would see them starting

I'd be relatively ok with selectively front-page-banning long-running threads (mafia, closed RPs, whatever) that everyone accesses through their subscriptions anyway

worth noting that I actually don't have any way to front-page-ban threads at all right now, so we'll see how it goes
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kelty's made such a thread, and I'm happy to trial that for a while and see how it goes. I'll also see if I can get it front-page-banned, so it doesn't show up in From the Forum!

edit: oop kelty beat me to it
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I'm happy to try this out for a while. Shitpost to your heart's delight, but thread may close at any time
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As always, happy to get feedback!

Babble_ON:2) Shitposting is a part of this site, like it or not. Not every discussion can be digging up the same old art/webcomic topics and controversial battlegrounds for another row. And as long as it stays on the Med Ave, I don't see what the problem is. I mean, I've gone over this time and time again. This IS the forum for spammy/useless/pointless threads. And I think shitposting falls under that.

Yeah, shitposting is fine to some extent, but when it's to this extent, there's a problem. The description on Mediterranean Avenue is wrong (and has been for a long time) - it's not a forum for spamming, it's a forum for misc topics that don't fit into the other categories. Am I alright with a Harrison Ford thread every now and then? Yeah, definitely. Am I alright with five at once? No. You need to exercise moderation with this kind of thing, or it literally is spam, and the forums are not a place for spam (even in Mediterranean Avenue).

And by any reasonable definition of meme, y'all trying to push Harrison Ford into being one. There's no joke - it's just posting pictures of Harrison Ford, because lol it's funny to post Harrison Ford. There are threads that are entirely just pictures of Harrison Ford. And there's posts in threads that aren't about Harrison Ford that are also entirely just pictures of Harrison Ford.

To clarify: It's fine sometimes, but not if it's every post in every thread. And the line is somewhere in between there. I'm not entirely sure where and it's remarkably hard to define, but try to exercise some common sense here so we don't have to do anything dumb like universally ban Harrison Ford images.
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From my other thread lock:

I am going to close this - posting incessantly about Harrison Ford is the same thing we have a rule against when we say "no memes".


~consistency~
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Actually, I am going to close this - posting incessantly about Harrison Ford is the same thing we have a rule against when we say "no memes". If you actually want to discuss this topic, make a serious thread.
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Yeah, it is advertisement, isn't it? I didn't really notice (sorry), moved it there now.

And you're quite right about the other threads, honestly, so I'll go lock 'em.
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