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13th Aug 2017, 9:35 PM #1
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Bolderousness:Are you going to actually produce an argument against me or are you just going to insult me?


Based on this thread, you're operating under a high school debate club mindset trying to prove you have the best technical argument in regards to abstract moral philosophy. I hope that you don't take that mindset into the material reality outside of classrooms and internet discussions, where all opinions do not have equal weight and many have actual consequences against real people.
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13th Aug 2017, 9:05 PM #2
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You believe in being contrary and proving yourself special, right? That's what I'm seeing here
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13th Aug 2017, 3:33 AM #3
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You definitely have a strong art style. The coloring is impressive and there's a strong sense of place. The character is interestingly designed and I'm looking forward to more about him. A Rubik's Cube is definitely a striking thing for a character to use on an establishing scene.

And in this week's Wyrecats, the death toll starts;
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13th Aug 2017, 3:28 AM #4
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12th Aug 2017, 11:08 PM #5
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Bolderousness:Okay. Actual discussion time. Actually, I disagree. That actually is an opinion. It's something you don't have to respect at all, but it's still an opinion, because they believe it is a good action to take. Would it be more clearly an opinion if stated as "I think it would be better if we should [insert purge]." Like, I know it's racist and terrible, but it's still someone's belief. My stance is a "you do you," because if I met someone who legitimately thought that, any debate isn't going to change their mind, so I leave them to their guns. Ideally, I'd like to crush racism, but I'm not going to harass people to change their views on life.


And which of these "opinions" actually has consequences to real human beings?
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12th Aug 2017, 5:29 AM #6
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E-hero Vulven:I think Nightwing could take him on. Red Robin even.


Nah, they're too closeted. Night Twink is much more self-assured with his sexuality and that would make him a more effective fighter.
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9th Aug 2017, 3:51 AM #7
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Most pressing concern, of course, is that we have a president whose every day involves spewing hatred and threats, be it against his own people or other nations. THIS IS NOT NORMAL AND SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS NORMAL FOR A SECOND
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9th Aug 2017, 1:57 AM #8
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Terrifying times we live in. I keep telling myself that neither side would rationally gain anything by pushing the button-- Kim Jong- Un would lose the only card they have to play at the global table (since it's not like they have such a robust economy and bounty of natural resources), and Donald would immediately lose all his support and be forever canonized as the worst man in history (and contrary to what every single thing he does suggests, Donald actually cares what people think of him). But then, that's assuming either head of state is thinking rationally.

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MistakeNPotatoes:This would go far beyond the US and the DPRK. You have to consider their allies in China and Russia.


Yes, Putin would give Donald quite the spanking
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8th Aug 2017, 3:53 AM #9
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keltyzoid!:ehcuat is edgy for not condoning the further humiliation of an autistic man


He's still responsible for the consequences of his actions, the naked plagiarism and creeper behavior. Autism is, contrary to what Chris-Chan believes and what the internet now believes autistic people believe, not a dickhead license.
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7th Aug 2017, 5:02 AM #10
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6th Aug 2017, 4:54 AM #11
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6th Aug 2017, 3:58 AM #12
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Subscribed. The stark black ink art in this comic is really beautiful and expressive. Will definitely have to go back and read more.

And in this week's Wyrecats, a lesson to wannabe supervillains...
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5th Aug 2017, 5:29 AM #13
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Ketchup straight from the packet
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4th Aug 2017, 1:43 AM #14
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When they do things like doxxing, extended harassment campaigns, death threats, and other things that go a lot further than hurt feelings, "don't follow" isn't an adequate response pragmatically or morally.
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4th Aug 2017, 12:46 AM #15
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Steven-Vincent:

Sadly, finding quality indy stuff is almost as hard as finding quality Big Two stuff, so it hasn't been easy. Even good quality indy stuff like Lazarus, Black Magic, Ragnarok, or Sirens can have issues like publication delays that make them hard to support.


Which may speak to having too specific and narrow standards, the same kind that alienated you from the Big Two, given Just. How. Much. creator owned work is out there in the wake of the Image revolution.
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2nd Aug 2017, 11:39 PM #16
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Steven-Vincent:That's why it's an allegory. Allegories are not one-to-one correspondences. Also back when this was being done, black characters were rare in almost any setting, TV and movies as well. I don't think it's fair to beat-up Marvel over this, when what they are doing now is so much more worthy of beating them up for it.


I didn't say it wasn't an allegory, I said it was a shitty allegory, to make pretty white people with powers the face of mutantkind back in the 60's, and to keep it mostly white and pretty ever since (the highest profile X-Man of color being Storm, who I might add has straight white hair and features/skin tone that are generally lightened under most artists). What's more, I'm not sure it's even been a particularly effective allegory, since it's taught a generation of white nerds that racism only takes the form of pitchfork-carrying mobs, giant murderbots, and dystopian futures-- as opposed to the countless smaller-scale infractions that transmit prejudice through all societal institutions. It's especially a shitty allegory when propped up against reality as it so explicitly does, as though it's ok for Kitty Pryde to use the N-Word to make a point that "mutie" is just as demeaning, in a comic read by readers whose world only has one of those words used with actual consequence on a daily basis.

Being progressive for its time isn't good enough, especially when the "good old days" are repeatedly held up as a standard to which modern comics don't meet.
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2nd Aug 2017, 2:59 PM #17
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Steven-Vincent:Yeah but it was sooooooooo much better done back then. X-Men did not do stories about literal 1960s civil rights goings-on back then. Instead, they used mutants and anti-mutant prejudice as an allegory for the civil rights movement. Whereas today, they do a one-for-one photocopy -- whatever is happening today, they copy and put it straight into the comics. It's ham-fisted, awkward, contrived, and of extremely poor quality. There is no subtlety to it. They want to hit us really hard over the head with it repeatedly. Readers are not stupid, and many of us do not like being treated as if we are. If kids in the 60s were smart enough to make the connection between anti-mutantism and real-world racism, why do the writers of today seem to think that the mostly adults who read comics can't be equally intelligent?

This is one of my main objections to all this -- not that it's being done, but that it's being done badly. And it's all the worse because we have examples like the X-Men of the 60s and 70s that show exactly how to do this elegantly, and the writers of today ignore that and do their ham-fisted thing instead. It's rather pathetic, actually.


With a cast of characters that was at first entirely white and later almost entirely white, which makes the X-Men far less meaningful allegory than oppression fantasy for people who aren't.
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2nd Aug 2017, 4:51 AM #18
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JuicyGrey:But you have forgotten something very important, tokenization. I personally find it rather disgusting because it is not genuine. It is just for sake of their image, and getting some extra bucks.

Besides if you look far past carefully, you do find characters who aren't white, but it doesn't matter because they are who they are or were. Albeit only ones which comes to my mind are villains... of well-intentioned extremist variant.

I don't mind them. Even if some them are same people as I am, because they are well-doned, well-written. Or at least were when I last checked.

But when race/gender/sexual/gender-identity becomes that thing, the gimmick, it is not a good thing. It will makes people angry, and some them probably aren't whites themselves, nor men... probably humans however...

Got the point?...


Though when it comes to media, race/gender/sex/ability just doesn't come up until someone MAKES IT a thing. Black Panther as the star of a solo movie doesn't happen if he's just kept in the back row of Avengers teams without any conscious push.
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2nd Aug 2017, 3:14 AM #19
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More to the point, I find it kind of problematic that the original poster's main complaint-- that fandom is full of toxic, bigoted people who make being a comics fan unpleasant at best and traumatic at worst-- was quickly met with cries of "well Marvel shouldn't replace their characters with these stunts!", as though which fictional character stars in a comic book is as big a deal as the way human beings treat other human beings.
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2nd Aug 2017, 1:37 AM #20
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So is there a specific metric for what qualifies as "just good stories" and what qualifies as "publicity stunts" or "pandering " or "virtue signaling" or whatnot? And if so, why it's such a bad thing for a company who exists to sell entertainment product to try and do publicity stunts (especially one in an ailing industry like comics)?
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