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23rd Mar 2017, 7:59 AM #1
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*rises from the grave to post long-ass rambling replies*

I was discussing this (read: rambling like a confused grandma) on twitter and Kelty brought up some excellent points.

You can draw whatever you want as far as style goes. Anime, realism, cartoon, whatever your little heart desires, but Kelty pointed out that style shouldn't take priority over substance. It's important to know the basics of what you're doing and that's always going to be grounded in realism.

I have a very obviously anime art style. I've always had very anime-influenced art. But it was always really really bad until a few years ago when I was forced to learn how the human body works and how perspective works and what the body can and can't physically do.

I was told the "oh anime is bad the big names aren't looking for anime" and I was really butthurt about it at the time. Then I started taking life and figure drawing classes where I had to draw real people doing real things (mostly just stand around naked for hours on end, not the most exciting stuff). But it helped me get a better grasp of what I was trying to draw and how to draw it so it didn't look wonky as all hell.

I wasn't taught how the human body functions and bends and moves in middle school or high school. I wasn't taught how to pace things or how comic panels work or even how to write well, and looking back I can see how bad everything I made was because I lacked those basic, fundamental skills on how to do everything.

How to draw manga books taught me more about style than substance. I learned more about basic things like what joints look like and what connects where on the body and how things sag and droop and flap around in the wind in one semester of art school than I ever learned from a book about drawing big eyes, big hair, and balloon tiddies.

Yes you should draw what makes you happy, draw things you like in a style you like, be true to yourself, blah blah blah, if you don't like what you're making eventually you won't like making anything at all, but during that discussion I was reminded that you can't ignore the basics. Life/figure drawing can be boring and dull and certainly far from pretty but regardless of your art style it can help set the foundation for all your work and you can build your style upon that.

Houses and buildings all look different depending on who makes them, where they're from, and what influenced them but they all have the basic foundations they need to stand on their own as functioning structures and the same can be said for art.


Anime being 'picked on', if you will, by professors is another thing that was brought up in the discussion and in my opinion for good reason. I've seen a lot of anime influenced art in the west and a problem I've seen with amateurs is they don't have those basic skills/knowledge and think they can't be bothered to learn them because anime is "pretty". I think there's a certain stigma around anime styled art that it's somehow better than other styles and therefore excludes people drawing anime style art from learning the basics of drawing things and people. And I used to think like that, I used to think I was somehow better than other artists because I drew anime and I knew other people that thought the same. I don't know if they've continued making art as they got older or if they've gone on to do other things, but I know my perspective on art styles in general has changed. I definitely know how I perceive myself as an artist has changed over the years, especially after my stint in college. I didn't like figure and life drawing at first because I couldn't draw anime but I did grow to like it once I realized the impact it had on my anime drawings and how much they improved by taking those boring, "useless" classes drawing real, non-stylized people.

Being forced to draw things that I didn't want to draw but were necessary for me to draw opened my eyes to how narrow-minded I was being regarding art. Styles are great and they're all wonderful, some I like more than others, but all the really good ones, the ones that really stand out, are from artists that have an incredible grasp on the fundamental skills that go into making art and comics and animation and whatever else. And I still have a lot to learn, there are lots of things I still suck at and can get better at even if it means doing things I don't like. You can't improve if you don't force yourself out of your comfort zone.


Tl;dr: You can draw whatever you like in whatever style you like, but you can't ignore the fact that the basic fundamentals of art will always be grounded in realism and it's important to include that in your knowledge, that's why professors will always harp on not drawing cartoons/anime when it's necessary.
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22nd Nov 2016, 6:49 AM #2
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*rises from the grave only to disappoint people with sketchy fanart instead of comic pages*

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PHICHIT IS MY FAVORITE AND I LOVE HIM i spent like half an hour just drawing his dang facE
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I bought some ~~feminine products~~ yesterday and I got super excited when I saw they included a pocket pack of tissues, and got really excited when I filled up my car and it was only $39.57 instead of $40. I think that places me pretty solidly into adulthood.
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27th Sep 2016, 7:22 AM #4
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Engelbaum obviously but that's already been mentioned
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27th Sep 2016, 12:17 AM #5
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Tibbitz: I really love (and am totally jealous) of your realistic art style.
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24th Sep 2016, 3:23 AM #6
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Xeno would have to be an anime. It's got a super anime style and I can't really picture anything like Nickelodeon or Cartoon Network picking it up given that it's gonna deal with some pretty heavy/graphic stuff later on, so maybe Toonami or Netflix would pick it up? Or Funimation even.

Ideally I'd want it to be animated by Bones (Ouran High School Host Club, Soul Eater, Fullmetal Alchemist [both the original and Brotherhood]) or Madhouse (One Punch Man, Wolf Children, Summer Wars, Death Note) because I think the quality is great go watch One Punch Man if you don't believe me and they handle stories and characters really well.
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24th Sep 2016, 3:07 AM #7
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When you're driving with music blaring and no one can hear you cuss out that person who DIDN'T USE THEIR FUCKING BLINKER unless they're in the car with you.


Also being able to justify dropping $150+ on name brand makeup because I make money and I do what I want with it.
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24th Sep 2016, 1:37 AM #8
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@Van Husk: I really like this page, I love the soft colors and the grey line art. I don't have any context for this page but I also don't think it's necessary since it looks like the start of a new scene. Good job!



This time on Xenobiosis, Lilith opens up a little in last week's page and Canan stops being a jerk for like a second.
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21st Sep 2016, 1:22 AM #9
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I had a shop once upon a time, it was terrible tho because I had no idea what I was doing so my images came put looking kinda funky.

I've been meaning to reopen a shop though and right now I'm just considering small things like stickers, prints, mugs (I love mugs personally so I want mugs), prints, and maybe some shirt designs.

I would like to include things like keychains or phone cases and other non-generic items but we'll see.
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Lady Deliz that sounds horrific I'm so sorry aaaa

So I went to the office to try to make an appointment, which apparently I can't do because I've never been seen there before and they're looking for a new in-house dentist?? But the receptionist said I could be a walk-in if there was an emergency so a friend and I are going to go in Tuesday morning and see what they can do to fix my problem because my tooth kinda has been hurting on and off for a few days now and I think a massive cavity that's been hurting counts as an emergency??

But now I'm also paranoid to eat or drink anything because I have to wait almost a week before I can go get it looked at and I'm just kicking myself mentally for waiting until it was this bad to get it looked at why am I like this
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I bought a new dress recently and I hadn't worn it yet so I wore it today and got kinda dolled up becaise I lack self control.


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Thanks everyone. Knowing other people have had horrific experiences at the dentist and are just as much of wimps as I am about it is making me feel a little better.

I'll go to the office tomorrow and make an appointment and see which friend I can drag along with me for the procedure.
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13th Sep 2016, 6:38 AM #14
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This is the only joke I know and it's not even original, it's from a Mel Brooks movie but I just love it so much everyone needs to know about it (I don't remember the actual quote so I'm paraphrasing a bit).


[spoiler]The Romans have a lot of gods for a lot of things. The only thing they don't have a god for is premature ejaculation, but I hear that's coming quickly.[/spoiler]
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I've had teeth pulled, most recent incident being like 4 years ago having 4 teeth removed that weren't my wisdom teeth because I had too many teeth in my mouth???? and I needed to have 4 teeth pulled in order to get braces and they just knocked me the fuck out for that and it was honestly one of the least traumatizing dentist visits I went to.

If I could I'd have them knock me out every time because I wouldn't have to see and feel them scraping around my mouth but I also don't like the idea of sharp moving things in my mouth, which is pretty sensitive as it is, while I'm unconscious because who knows what they're doing???? And I really don't want to have an anxiety attack in the dentist chair.


I am smol and scared and weak.

Also @ Mel and Bryant: the dentist I've been trying to reach is one of my friends' dentist and she really likes him because he's really good with people, especially kids (her 9 year old nephew and 6 year old niece go to him and they seem fine)

Also also what kind of dentist just goes sticking their ungloved fingers in someone's mouth??? What the fuck????? That's so gross and unsanitary??????????? That is terrifying oh my god
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Aight peeps here's the sitch:

I've had a couple of cavities for almost a year and one of them is getting really bad. It takes every ounce of willpower to call my damn dentist and try to set up an appointment, but no one ever answers or calls me back when I leave my info (I've done this like three or four times and I just??? Do people even work at this office???????).

Should I drag my butt down to the office and make an appointment in person and/or demand they just yank my cavity-riddled teeth out and get it overwith?

Or would I have better luck finding someone to punch me really hard in the face and knock the teeth out?


Also I am literally terrified of dentists and have never left an appointment without crying all my makeup off and hiding in bed for the next few days because I'm a pathetic worm and also refuse to go by myself because I need emotional support like some kinda loser. Like I would rather have super super super hot frying oil splashed on my inner arm again or relive that second degree sunburn I got on my arm two years ago than go to the dentist for even just a cleaning.



(I know that I'll eventually have to go to their office at some point so I'm only being semi-serious but I need want other opinions.)
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13th Sep 2016, 3:50 AM #17
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Oh gosh let's see

~ fluffy hair
~ B R I G H T C O L O R S E V E R Y W H E R E
~ sparkles
~ big eyes/hair
~ everyone has a god damn baby face unless they're 60 years old or older because I'm terrible
~ hands are either super elegant or scribbly blobs there is no inbetween
~ I use a lot of heckin' purple lately I don't know why
~ cute
~ S P A R K L E S
~ everyone looks like a girl unless they're Super Manly Lookin' Men because I'm terrible
~ it's that fuckin anime shit everyone's sick of
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I have noticed a lot more reboots lately, yeah.

Having rebooted my comic myself last year I can understand where they're coming from when they say they can see where they've improved and where and what they can do better and making their heart make the smiley emoji.


I know from my experience rebooting my writing and art took huge strides forward and enabled me to make a better comic than I had the first time around (one of my major problems being that I'd written the plot so poorly I'd gotten stuck and drawing was hard and everything was terrible and I considered giving up). I'd become aware of the problem (the shit writing) and was able to put more attention towards improving that. The art just seemed to get better on it's own, that just kinda happened.


But also, as far as I know no one's turning a profit for their comics so what's preventing them from rebooting? Aside from the struggle of "I've already done so much work and put in so much time rebooting would just make all of that a waste" which I totally get and struggled with myself, I see no reason why people shouldn't reboot their comic if they want to and know they can make it better.
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[spoiler]Okay I don't have any concept art you can see that is easily decipherable but basically: witches, robots, community college, and the hi-jinks that follow a gaggle of 20-somethings as they try to figure out how to Adult.

I haven't quite decided where this project is going to go or when I'll actually start working on it (still need a plot of some kind), but it's something I really look forward to working on one day![/spoiler]
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JohnnyV:Sorry Rinkel,

What I said was supposed to sound sarcastic to one of the previous statements about how easy it is for Christians to dismiss the hypothetical mass delusions of their own religion yet laugh at the past religions for making statements that sounded equally true to them. It was to show that the intolreance towards one religion cannot justify the truth in ones own.



It's alright now that it's been cleared up. Just be careful with how things are worded, yeah? It's really easy to miss nuances like sarcasm in text and I don't want to see anyone else feel like their set of beliefs have been insulted or what-have-you by anyone.
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