every time people seem to think that i should, and WILL, have a certain pokemon in my comic just because i have another. which is a problem specific to my genre but still TwT and also every time someone has suggested i do something that is very obviously their fetish, i'd run out of appendages to count on if you asked me how often i've gotten that super "cool" suggestion
most things i've done to impress friends, but in particular this one time i jumped up on a pile of pallets behind the market that caved beneath me immediately, and on the way down i got three massive scratches on my back from the nails that left scars. thank god for tetanus shots!
i got a new light up keyboard (wew gamer rights) which is absolutely lovely, but the keys are very touchy, so if i'm not precise and hit more than one key even a little bit, i can end up typing up to 4 random letters at once and GAAAH it drives me NUTS
My advice is pretty much to never reboot. I'd rather see new authors work with what they've got, because that's a good skill to gain in itself, but that said, there are some special cases, and I've got a comic in one of those "special" cases, so this is why I personally did it.
I had a comic in 2013 that I was just drawing without planning anything first, which isn't a bad thing, but it turns out that kinda method doesn't work for me. I created 10 measly little pages over the course of 2 years, and by that point, it was pretty clear I wouldn't keep the motivation to see it to completion, or even outta the first chapter. So I just kinda scrapped it and went on to focus on my main comic. But I kinda just kept thinking about it from time to time? And soon enough, it was a completely different idea with similar characters, so I guess in my case, it's less like an actual reboot and more like... recycling. And I don't intend on doing it to this work again despite still being slow working on it lol. Juggling two works at once is also not one of my talents, but I have a direction to follow at least.
So the comic went from looking like this...
... not that i think restarting for art reasons is a path you should take either lol. I don't regret that first version, my vision just changed drastically and outgrew it.
i like a good pvp enabled site. keeps things interesting. do you know how many gotdamn stuffy forums i've been on??
Kyo:So you can probably already tell where this is going, one day I basically got into a drunkduck admin account and caused a big old ruckus on the site. Now I didn't go deleting stuff or do any lasting damage, I was basically just a dumbass kid trying to impress my friends in all the wrong ways, but y'know, it did happen. It goes without saying that I'm not proud of it and obviously I wouldn't do anything like that now (also I'm turning 30 this week, so this was literally half a lifetime ago for me now)
jesus christ? honestly i kinda respect the hustle.
Although I don't really like the distinction between "fanwork" and "original" myself, I see how it can be useful to some people. But as it is, the distinction seems to just create animosity between people lmao... With the current tagging system, I don't use the fanfiction setting because you can only check one genre and that's not all I want to define my work as. I'm just mirroring other's sentiments by saying this, but if you could check several genres, it'd help define works a lot better, so I do agree with that.
We've pretty much tread all the ground we can here, so I just wanna say that the Spotlight suggestion is a good one and I'd found some really neat stuff through the one on SJ. I like the way the front page is currently set up and I've found new comics to read more often here than on SJ, but if Kyo finds some sort of change in the way some tabs work, I'm sure it'll be a welcome one. Thanks for continuing to have us despite the sudden shift, the forums have been otherwise very fun to engage with for me <3
i think you're just kinda being rude now. i didn't see anyone say we were more deserving of people's attention, we just want to be taken seriously instead of brushed off to the side because we're fanfiction authors. no one said we're NOT fanfiction. we know that by design we have a framework to help us and we know that we have a potential built-in fanbase, but not everyone is automatically going to read your work just because it's pokemon or harry potter or undertale or insert whatever else here. our intention wasn't to overthrow your site, we just wanted a place to go.
GMan003:Wow I got a lot of people talking. Heads up, this post is long and hits on several topics, because people took it in several different directions.
Hypotheses as to "why PMD?":
Saying that other series "also did these things" really glosses over how these elements are working TOGETHER to gain this much traction, and the icing on the cake is that pokemon is a massively successful IP that had already drew a lot of people to it by 2006 when the first PMD games released in North America. Rebutting people's opinions on what's basically a lightning-in-a-bottle scenario with other one-time examples doesn't really capture how everything kind of fell perfectly into place for it to succeed, and subsequently become the perfect breeding ground for fanfiction lol.
I think, because fanworks are perceived as easier to make and having a built-in audience, the average quality probably is lower. People think they can easily make one, or even are just instinctively imitating the stories they like. And so seeing a large number of them, is definitely a bit of a warning sign, but is not necessarily bad.
I dunno if I'd call it a warning sign exactly -- Unless you find a lot of young authors using your site to be a problem. Not all of us are children, obviously, but you have so many pokemon comics because a lot of them are like 13-17 years old. It is a children's IP at the end of the day. Some of us are doing some really neat stuff with the limitations of the series, but some of us are just starting out, and that's okay too. I've already repeated this bit a few times, but I know that seeing this huge influx where there wasn't before is probably like "huh. okay then??" to native users, so I guess that change could be somewhat alarming, but I don't think the physical amount of them inherently impedes on anything.
Nyomi:anyways, i kind of wanted to jump in with something from my own experience. it was entirely a coincidence, but the refujeeves (and all subsequent pokemon comics) came in about the same time mafia died on this website, and this all happened right about the same time i tried to get active again (i was MIA for about a year and a half due to IRL issues). coming back to a website only for things that you view as "CF classics" to immediately be bumped out of their spot by a bunch of new comics was... a little jarring, at least for me. i also sort of projected because uhh, well, a lot of my CF pals aren't active anymore (at least not in the forums) and as a result, mafia died. don't get me wrong, i still talk to them - i just don't see them on the website as much.
i think it had less to do with the fact that they were pokemon comics (bro i love pokemon comics like, ive wanted to do a nuzlocke comic for years but i just suck so bad at pokemon) and more that it just sort of felt like some big final change in the website. super goofy and super silly; and hell, i've only been around since 2016 so it's not even like i have room to talk (was i projecting bc my irl was also changing a lot? yes) and it was extra hypocritical for me in particular because i tend to preach not getting stuck in the past and moving forward a lot, but uhhhhh... i don't know. it was all very weird and it hurt a little bit.
that said, i want to make it clear that my issues (and any subsequent older member's issues) with this are incredibly not anyone's fault and y'all shouldn't be ashamed. you earned that shit, first of all. and your comics aren't any less of comics than than the rest of ours. that mew comic - i can't think of the name off the top of my head, but they earlier in this thread - it's like, genuinely a ride and i really love it. if anyone implies otherwise i will eat their kneecaps.
i genuinely think the resistance just came from us old cranky folks (i never want to refer to myself that way ever again oh my god) not liking change - but change will happen no matter what, and the rest of us will deal. you do you, guys. we stan the website growing.
E: THE STARS SHINE BRIGHT yeah that one!!! there's lesbian doctors thats all i ask for in my comics
yeah i understand that. whenever change happens near me, i'm big >:C! although, i guess a huge change is why we migrated here in the first place lmao. but yeah, i do get that we were just a huge influx of the same thing all at once because SJ was originally the perfect environment for that community to grow, and gomen for flooding the front page a bit TwT we just wanna live. we love ur customization options. arguably they're better here than on SJ, this onsite css editor is tasty.
ALSO WOW THANK U SO MUCH I CRY. i'm bad at words and it's 4am but you made my heart flutter big time
Okay, so -- @keltyzoid! alluded to how our efforts had basically been thrown in the trash by NHN. The side-effect of us moving, and the reason for our "sudden" popularity on this site, is that the readers that we ALREADY had then followed us. We've already put in the work to get to this point, and we are SUPER lucky and grateful that those people liked us enough to migrate with us. My work didn't get popular overnight. I started it when I was a teenager and worked for a consistent update schedule in the hopes that people might enjoy it. Though I understand why native users find this sudden shift off-putting, it's a little disparaging to see a common consensus among users being that our story/genre choice is JUST an "easy mode" to popularity. I guess I can't speak for other authors, but that's not why I made a pokemon comic. I made it because I really like pokemon and had a story I was passionate about telling. Like everyone else, I still try my hardest to learn writing techniques and art/compositional ones too; just because I put it all into fanwork doesn't make it any less valid.
GMan003:I'm kind of curious why there seems to be so much of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon specifically. Like Pokemon, yeah, it's one of the biggest franchises on the planet, of course people make fancomics of it. The anime's one of the longest-running, the main RPGs are famous and have inspired countless clones and challenge runs, and the general universe is literally designed to spawn fanart. (Seriously, one of the criteria used when designing the first few gens of Pokemon was "must be easy enough for kids to draw")
Obviously people enjoyed them if there's this many PMD comics, and they can't be that bad if they keep making them. I'm kind of curious about them now, as a game designer, if they did anything interesting with the gameplay. But it's a series that, as far as I can tell, was never a smash hit, never sold bajillions of copies, never became a cultural touchstone the way the mainline games did. What made a modestly successful spinoff series spawn so many comics? I'd be interested in hearing why.
I think it has to do with its isekai appeal? As a kid, I know for me, the idea of getting to BE the pokemon was super exciting. I guess you could say it appeals to that "god i wish i could be a wolf" wish fulfillment in kids hahah. PMD also comes with a world that's effectively a sandbox that's fun to make up your own rules for.
poster above didn't mention that I was her partner smh. but that gets part of my post out of the way, because i'm so, so grateful that she enjoys my comic so much. i couldn't ask for a better girlfriend.
my parents have read it but they don't understand or keep up on it. i'm pretty sure my dad didn't read it at all, and he asked for, and proceeded to lose, the link several times. i think they wish that i would monetize my work, but i don't want it to stop being fun yanno. gotta keep hobbies.
besides my girlfriend, my sister is the next person in my real life who's read the whole thing and sort of keeps up on it. she won't read it by herself though, but i appreciate what she does remember about it