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Result in thread: Old vs new OC designs
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27th May 2017, 8:53 AM #1
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I like how their designs all kept at least one colour throughout! It's interesting to see what stays and what goes when designs are altered.

Also Marshall's jumper in the new design. I want it.
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25th May 2017, 6:53 PM #2
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Not sure it's the weirdest ever, but off the top of my head:

"Central Command to Hat! The vehicle is going overboard!"

Hat: *panicked voice* ABANDON SHIP!

(I drew someone's hat falling off, but not as naturally as I could have done, this comment was justified and hilarious)
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25th May 2017, 4:50 PM #3
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I think they're cute, and I'm scared of bugs. So that's a pretty good job there :)
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Result in thread: Body-kun/Body-chan hate
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23rd May 2017, 7:12 PM #4
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Lol oh good it's been a while since someone shouted from the rooftops that my body type is not realistic. The evidence just keeps adding up that I'm not actually real. (Seriously though Jessie Blue, there's nothing wrong with wanting more diverse body types represented, or with taking issue with a model that you think perpetuates potentially harmful stereotypes--and I think there is an argument to be made there--but in future can we do so without putting down everyone who actually does look like that?)


Anyway, this thread has actually mostly made me feel supremely out touch with the arting world. The only posing model I've ever owned was this good boy:
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My baby's all grown up now.[/spoiler]

The problem I had with using posing models like this was I didn't really know how to use them properly and all my poses came out stiff because I was just copying exactly what I saw and then drawing skin on top of it.


Respheal:THERE'S A HORSE ONE

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I NEED THIS

AMAZING.
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21st May 2017, 4:24 PM #5
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Going with the marriage analogy, I'd say my novel is my husband who I'm devoted to, and want to spend time with every day, but who understands I have other hobbies and need to spend time with other people.

Then on weekends I'm cheating on him with my secret boyfriend webcomic who's more fun and less demanding, and who knows I'm married and therefore can't spend as much time with him.

No, but seriously, I've been in that mindset before, where time not spent on my creative passions felt like time wasted, and I wish I had advice, but I honestly don't think I did anything to change this mindset. I just realised eventually that living for nothing but my creative passions wasn't making me happy, and I resolved to making more of an effort to socialise and get back into some of my other hobbies. You're not me though, so things may turn out completely differently for you. I guess if I have any advice at all it's to do what makes you happy.
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Result in thread: The ultimate cliche
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21st May 2017, 9:29 AM #6
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keltyzoid!:"intelligent," morally superior yet socially awkward and out-of-touch skinny white boy who can't talk to girls and is unpopular and bad at sports is cynical and jaded until he meets a girl who Isn't Like Other Girls

This is an accurate description of my ex and that's hilarious. Seriously, he even did the "not like other girls" line lol why


ChristianRepass:"You see, the thing you were looking for was within you the entire time!" *group hug, end credits*

Or maybe...

"It seems that the real treasure was friendship/the journey!" *jump & high-five, end credits*

I actually love these haha. The Wizard of Oz may have coloured my opinion of these particular tropes in a very positive light. I also just enjoy me some good cheese. :D


LukaszZ:The thing they do at the beginning of the movie that seems completely unrelated to 99% of the movie until the very end when that one skill or whatever basically saves the day. This was overdone so many times! It's still being used, too!

Hm, seems you can't win with this one. If they do the thing at the beginning and it never comes up again, it was a pointless scene, but if they use it at the end and we never saw them use it earlier, people will (rightly) complain it's a Deus ex Machina. If your issue is with the film signposting it extremely unsubtly instead of trusting the audience to remember, or very clumsily wedging it in, I 100% agree though.


One cliché I'd like to see less of is: if there is an attractive woman in the main cast she always seems to end up with one of the men by the end of the film/series/book/etc. "Unattractive" or "plain" girls are allowed to stay single, but if you're hot, you're getting paired off, whether you have any chemistry with the guy or not. Not saying I hate characters getting together, I'm just bored of it happening all the time.
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Result in thread: Old vs new OC designs
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20th May 2017, 10:32 AM #7
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2008 (before I started uploading the comic):
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Almost a decade later, 2017:
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They've all caught the sun a bit in the 2017 examples, but apart from Jon their skin tones are the same as in the 2008 picture.

It's worth pointing out that the hair and clothes in 2008 were heavily modelled off what I thought was cool at the time. I might go back to drawing Seth's shoelaces untied though, there was no reason at all for me to remove that from his design.

Personality-wise, Anna used to... not have much of a personality at all, because I didn't really know what to do with her. Over time she became the somewhat crass, unmotivated, blunt sassmaster she is today. Jon used to be something of a deadpan snarker, and although that never really changed, he also became less confident and more adorkable than I initially planned for him to be (I regret nothing). Seth hasn't changed very much at all, he began as a lazy, well-intentioned buffoon, and the only thing I think that's changed is he has more depth(?)


I'm always really interested to see old character designs, and for some reason I'm especially fascinated by hair colour changes. Timelapse11, you mind me asking why you decided to go from brown hair to pink and blue hair? It's such a striking change, I'm curious to know what sparked it.
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15th May 2017, 11:02 AM #8
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Thank you so much for your help! I'll try out your advice when I'm next at my computer.

Thanks!
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"Speech Bubbles in Clip Studio Paint?", 14th May 2017, 3:10 PM #9
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I've been playing around with Clip Studio Paint for a couple of hours and I'm SO CLOSE to being sold except for the fact that I can't figure out how to draw vector paths to make speech bubbles like I do in Photoshop, and the speech bubble tool makes tails that look... weird:
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Smooth tapered end, where art thou?

Does anyone with more experience using this programme either know how to draw vector paths (not edit existing vector lines, which is all that comes up when I try to google my problems), or know how to make the bubble tails look nicer? And being able to pull the anchor points on the ellipse to make it look slightly more rectangular would be nice too.

I'm using "spline" bend in the above image, which relies on me being able to draw a smooth curve, which obviously isn't going well, and the tail point just doesn't look nice to me.

Considering how important speech bubbles are to my happiness, any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Also, while I'm here, what's the difference between PRO and EX? I've fiddled around with both in the trial version and I can't find any differences...

Thanks in advance!
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13th May 2017, 12:29 PM #10
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Red Jack, agreed, it's really cool to look at how people's influences have made their mark on their work.

As for myself:

-The sitcom Friends
-The sitcom Two and a Half Men (okay okay, hear me out--I despise this programme. But I was oddly fascinated by it as a young teenager, and very often I'd see a joke fall flat and I'd go "that would have been much funner if this happened instead" and I started trying to write better jokes as a result, most of which ended up in my comic)
-Garfield
-My weird friends (and by extension my super strange and super fun university years)
-My weirder family
-Working in the service industry
-Life in general--whenever something weird or embarrassing happens to or around me I'm writing it down in hopes I can make a page out of it. Because, as we all know, life is the biggest joke of all.
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cheshiresmiling:though there's a couple places I can see myself having to power through some serious secondhand embarrassment

Oh man, this. There are some parts I have to draw peeking through my fingers because auuggh my characters are so embarrassing sometimes!
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12th May 2017, 8:27 AM #12
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I'm basically made of spaghetti.
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12th May 2017, 7:16 AM #13
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Once I had trouble bringing myself to finish a page which I had no trouble starting. Basically, after I started the page, something happened in my life which made the content of the page hit pretty close to home when I was nowhere near ready to deal with those emotions yet. I had to put some light TV on while I worked, to distract myself, but I won't pretend that wasn't really hard. I suppose it helped me in that I identified with my character more than ever during that time, and looking back I think I nailed the emotion on that page.
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Anna's my favourite to write, Seth's my favourite to draw, Jon's my favourite when I'm rereading my comic (my favourite to "read" I suppose) and my favourite character to ship with other characters (honestly the list of people I don't ship him with is quite small).

Another character I really love is Gemma, which is interesting because when I first wrote her I hated her, because I created her from a place of anger and spite (I was seventeen, okay?). Now I've had a chance to work on making her an actual character, I have a lot of fun writing her, especially her interactions with others. I can't wait to get her on more pages.

My least favourite character is probably Frank (who I bet few people actually remember--I sometimes forget about him too), just because he's pretty boring and I can never think of anything for him to do. He just sort of exists in the world, peripheral to Seth, and he shows up when I need him to. If I hadn't already published so many pages I might have cut him out completely, but as it stands he's basically a background character with a handful of lines.
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because mime.
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You know it was just platonic groping.
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"dog in bed" is my new favourite google search after "cat in cup" and "baby crocodiles".
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Glad to hear everything went well, get well soon, Babble!
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That's fair. Sorry, I'll stop sidetracking this thread now.
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But would we really need a brand new thread to do basically the same thing again +advice this time? Do threads have to only be one thing?
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E: Damn Kyo you're fast. Post reacted with this in mind.

Though to be fair I don't think it's unreasonable for this to also be an informal advice thread, but oh well. I'll look for pelvis drawing tips elsewhere...
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