windwyrm:So I'm quoting this because it's the root of the disagreement if you wish to call it that.
This is what I actually said to Shurik:
vaslittlecrow:Actually, that's not correct, though I can't blame you for feeling that way. I used to be Republican and a Mormon/Catholic.
My problem with your "disagreement" is that you turned, "Hey Shurik, I am that asshole you are talking about, and let me reassure you that horrible people like me can change. There is hope that your activism isn't going down the drain" into "How dare you have feelings and say bad things about Republicans. We need to be polite." You have completely mischaracterized what I said and I still pissed about that, because I took care to explain that tone policing ain't helpful.
windwyrm:You seem to think I said we're all too tired and frustrated to do anything.
Then what were you saying? Could you clarify rather than make incorrect assumptions about my intention and experience, like this:
windwyrm:You cannot equate politeness or purity with action and morals. Like Lutz said, the right censors and discards us the same way. Have you tried arguing with a right-leaning man? Especially as a woman or queer? The moment you show ANY emotion, they discard the argument and declare themselves "winners".
Yes, as a matter of fact, as a queer nonbinary, Black Puerto Rican person and ex-conservative/Christian who had abortions, I have successfully argued against conservatives by doing things like not following the talking points. I explained in explicit detail how I did it and the expertise I had to do it. Yet, I get the impression you saw this that this was just me showing my flex to get virtue signal points. I also explained that not everyone can or should do this, because we all have different skills and socioeconomic situations. That's why we help each other and even agreed with Lutz.
windwyrm:Again, I have nothing against you and 99% of the things you said, I agree with all, you seem to think I'm attacking everything or you as a person and if that's on my wording I'm genuinely sorry.
Again you are mischaracterizing my intentions. There is a huge difference with me telling you that you are attacking me and my perspective, and me telling you that you are not understanding me. A mischaracterization is a misunderstanding or incorrect assumption, not an attack. Does that help you understand why I am frustrated?
windwyrm:I am solely attacking your conclusion, belief, whatever, that just because people here are saying they're tired and done with conservatives it means they aren't doing anything off-site.
No you are not, because you don't seem to understand what I am trying to say at all. You are attacking a bunch of talking points that I don't even subscribe to. Furthermore and you are making patently incorrect assumptions about my intentions and what I'm supposedly saying between the lines. Can you understand why I am frustrated?
windwyrm:Hope we're on the same page now.
We are still not on the same page.
windwyrm:e: nvm we're not cuz I just saw they unsubbed anyway I'm leaving this up because like Nyomi said the point of "no don't be too aggressive" keeps coming up
I unsubbed because I wanted to clear my head. I decided to check in because I realized that I didn't give you an opportunity to respond and I had hoped that you finally understood where I was coming from. Do you finally understand what I am trying to say, or is this the point where we agree to disagree?
Edit: sorry for all the mistakes, I am honestly fuming ATM because I am super frustrated.