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16th May 2016, 7:35 PM #201
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Matt's in charge of the rule changes, so you'll have to wait for him. I don't want to interfere, too many cooks and all that
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17th May 2016, 12:16 AM #202
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The typing quirk rule came almost exclusively from Homestuck-style quirks, so that's what it means - I welcome ideas as to how to clarify it.
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17th May 2016, 12:31 AM #203
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17th May 2016, 12:38 AM #204
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Nah.

Like, here's some examples:

- hELLO WORLD, tHIS IS ME
- Hello World This Is Me
- H E L L O W O R L D T H I S I S M E
- HeLlO wOrLd ThIs Is Me
- hello world thiis iis me
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17th May 2016, 12:47 AM #205
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Just put those examples under the rule in a spoiler
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17th May 2016, 12:50 AM #206
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Done.
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17th May 2016, 1:33 AM #207
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MatthewJA:Nah.

Like, here's some examples:

- hELLO WORLD, tHIS IS ME
- Hello World This Is Me
- H E L L O W O R L D T H I S I S M E
- HeLlO wOrLd ThIs Is Me
- hello world thiis iis me


tbh this seems to just be "no excess capitalization, no intentional misspelling"

probably with better wording on the second point so people aren't super worried about unintentionally misspelling words

except spelling rogue as rouge, that should be bannable

also i know the topic of specifics on the thing is closed, but i just wanted to say that going a little too subtle like seeen's solution leads to 'biffing' or pretending your post has been mod edited or whatever. subtle, sure, but visible and immediately clear that it's genuine
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17th May 2016, 2:26 AM #208
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You could classify typing quirks as any typing style in which you use a specific pattern of typing, such as replacing letters, numbers, and sets of letters or numbers with other numbers, letters, or symbols, or otherwise altering them, in a way that could conceivably hinder readability. If you have to make a conscious effort to type that way, it's probably not okay, basically.
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17th May 2016, 4:51 AM #209
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the concern i have with measuring based on readability is that IF I TYPE IN ALL CAPS IT'S PERFECTLY CLEAR WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT i'd still say that's the sort of thing that should be covered by the rule

to be perfectly honest i don't know whether it's a rule that necessarily needs to exist, it's a mild annoyance at best, and it just leads to confusion over why i'm allowed to type in no-caps, biff's allowed to RANDOMLY capitalise WORDS in the middle of sentences, inky's allowed to use frequent ink-related puns, nib does??? mid-sentence punctuation - these aren't the only examples of typing quirks that are allowed

it's like miau was saying about it sometimes being unclear about where the line precisely is
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17th May 2016, 4:52 AM #210
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it's a rule so it can be enforced - I'm quite happy to remove it, but intentionally hard-to-read posts are still against the rules, so would that still be represented?
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17th May 2016, 4:58 AM #211
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IMO the most important part in that is the "intentionally hard to read" part- what sets caps and ??? apart from TYPiNg LiKE t H i S is how understandable/readable the post is
Something that breaks standard grammar (i.e how I'm typing right now-- a lack of proper punctuation) isn't really all that hard to read or understand.
I think it's less about the specific typing quirk and what defines a typing quirk (although examples are ok-but like, don't need to be all encompassing-) and more about not posting complete gibberish or typing using an "i n f r a c t i on a e s t h e t i c"
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17th May 2016, 5:01 AM #212
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MatthewJA:it's a rule so it can be enforced - I'm quite happy to remove it, but intentionally hard-to-read posts are still against the rules, so would that still be represented?

in line a bit with what rem's saying - could you make the rule "intentionally hard-to-read posts" rather than typing quirks? on some level it's just semantics, but it feels like that's the spirit of the rule at the moment anyway and it's clearer than 'typing quirks' given so many of them are ok
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17th May 2016, 5:02 AM #213
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intentionally hard to read works

Merged Doublepost:

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17th May 2016, 12:13 PM #214
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i don't like intentionally because our one mod guideline is that we don't moderate intent, and we don't know what any one person intended to do.

Maybe "typing styles that affect readability" or something along those lines
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17th May 2016, 12:43 PM #215
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thing is though, i consider poorly spelled text hard to read but i don't think someone for whom english is a second or third language should get punished for that. and yeah it comes down to mod discretion but if i didn't have confidence in my english and saw that one of the rules was that hard-to-read english leads to bans i'd be a little worried

despite all this ranting and raving, i do think your point is fair and i think your proposed alternative is fairly reasonable
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17th May 2016, 12:43 PM #216
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Kyo:i don't like intentionally because our one mod guideline is that we don't moderate intent, and we don't know what any one person intended to do.

Maybe "typing styles that affect readability" or something along those lines


oh, I like that! changed
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17th May 2016, 1:09 PM #217
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obviously we are not going to punish ESL people, hell i would know what it's like, to be 14 again, to find out that the world is enormous and full of forums about neopets and pokemon. to enthusiastically write forum posts only to be misunderstood again and again. over and over. at first you are frustrated, then you start resenting people. you get bitter, your demeanor completely changes. one day you decide enough is enough and you make your own forum, hell a whole webcomic host, why not!!
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17th May 2016, 1:16 PM #218
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oh i know y'all wouldn't do that, i just mean that a carelessly worded rule could be read a little bit that way

but like so long as y'all keep it in mind i'm sure it'll be k
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17th May 2016, 1:18 PM #219
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don't worry, i've got a little locket that says "remember where you came from" on it, i defo won't forget. matt's looking a little bloodthirsty though, better keep an eye on that guy
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17th May 2016, 1:58 PM #220
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Kyo:better keep an eye on thatguy

why what did i do
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