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"F*** the FCC.", 22nd Nov 2017, 6:56 AM #1
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For those of you who are still unaware, the FCC is voting to repeal net neutrality, giving corporations total control of the internet. If providers get the ability to throttle your internet and charge extra for Social Media/Gaming/Streaming/etc., they will! If Congress allows this to happen by voting for the repeal this December, then the free and open internet will be dead as we know it. It will still affect those living outside the States, because their government may follow suit. It's already happened in Mexico.

It already happened in Portugal. My fellow Americans, don't let it happen here. There is still time to call our representatives. We only have a month. And once we win, we need to keep fighting, because these bad guys only need to win ONCE.
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22nd Nov 2017, 7:06 AM #2
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Yes! Fuck them for trying this shit, AGAIN...
We can't get complacent, or tired of fighting, we have to fight them every step of the way. Give them even an inch and they will be trampling all over everything.
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22nd Nov 2017, 10:27 AM #3
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Shrug?

Elections have consequences, yo.
22nd Nov 2017, 11:22 AM #4
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You know what the saddest thing is, I didn't even vote for any of the people doing this. Don't get to. Don't even know who they are. At least America had a choice.
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22nd Nov 2017, 11:52 PM #5
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Chippewa Ghost:Shrug?

Elections have consequences, yo.


An American Election shouldn't be allowed to ruin the internet for everyone. Or are you not on ComicFury for the free hosting? How would you like if Kyo started charging all of us per page? Or per comment? That is what they are talking about doing.
*Shrug* in response to Net Neutrality is the response of someone living on a religious compound with no electricity not the response I want to see posted on an internet forum.
I am disappoint.
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23rd Nov 2017, 12:31 AM #6
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Jessie Blue:I am disappoint.


Listen, Jessie, I'm gonna be straight with you--I was cruising for a fight with that post and what follows sure as heck isn't aimed at you personally. I mean, from your history of posting you and I probably agree on upwards of 95% of the major issues of the day. But I'm still miffed about this issue of the Open Internet so here goes.

See, what has me so torqued up is that a little over a year ago a few key states in the American Electoral College went over to the "R" column and gave Trump the White House, something that nobody was prepared for, least of all him. He's shown that over the last year, from the way that there's still hundreds of appointees missing from the Federal government to the way that a unified government of Republicans can't somehow pass meaningful legislation in line with his campaign promises. (edit: also--he's backing a pedophile for Senate. No shit.)

What he has done--in a stumbling, tactless, and puerilely provocative fashion more fitting to the NYC gossip pages than the DC front page--is govern with cruelty. Cruelty, that's the defining trait of this administration: the "Muslim Ban" that's somehow not a religious test; banning transgender assessions to the U.S. Military; pulling the plug on the DREAMers; ceasing any sort of meaningful Justice Department oversight of functionally racist local police departments; and scaring the crap out of our overseas allies by undercutting the value of America's word. (edit: PUERTO RICANS ARE AMERICANS and a few paper towels ain't gonna cut it, hoss)

He's also handed over the keys of America's regulatory organs to the very industrialists they are charged with policing. Dude's corrupting the institutions of American democracy like nobody since the 1800's... and his so-called "draining the swamp" was what gave Mr. Ajit Pai the license to allow your internet provider act like your super friendly and totally non-shitty cable company.

History is going to be super harsh on this dude and the short-sighted, self-pitying peasants that voted him in... and what I find bitterly amusing is that of all this half-baked confidence artist crap it's "Net Neutrality" that's bringing all the wallflowers into the dance.

TL;DR: if you were waiting for an excuse to care about American politics, Net Neutrality is it.
23rd Nov 2017, 12:42 AM #7
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Net Neutrality, as I understand, is the choice of whether the government or corporations should hold the reigns of your internet service. The lesser evil imo is corporations. Whichever option lets me get spied on the least. If companies want to gouge prices, the free market should fix things via cheaper competitors.
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23rd Nov 2017, 12:49 AM #8
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Governments at least have to answer to voters. Even when those voters get fooled by a ... Well I'm kind of tired and I can't think of harsh enough terms to describe him. CG, if you're still monitoring this traffic, a lil help...
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23rd Nov 2017, 12:53 AM #9
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Chippewa- I 100% agree with all you said and more, and I'm an American studying abroad so I have always cared about and thrown fits about all of this stuff and have been all along. I used lolspeak because I was mostly joking, I've seen your usual comments and I figured you were being sarcastic. I ain't mad. I am also frustrated that so many people don't seem to care about the erosion of our rights and of our Democratic process until suddenly it means they can't stream porn.
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23rd Nov 2017, 1:00 AM #10
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E-hero Vulven:Net Neutrality, as I understand, is the choice of whether the government or corporations should hold the reigns of your internet service. The lesser evil imo is corporations. Whichever option lets me get spied on the least. If companies want to gouge prices, the free market should fix things via cheaper competitors.


Ah, competition, the salve to all the world's problems. It would be a shame if broadband internet weren't subject to competition in many areas:

arstechnica:At the FCC's 25Mbps download/3Mbps upload broadband standard, there are no ISPs at all in 30 percent of developed census blocks and only one offering service that fast in 48 percent of the blocks. About 55 percent of census blocks have no 100Mbps/10Mbps providers, and only about 10 percent have multiple options at that speed. (from here)


Let's be real, how many sewer companies do you get a choice of? Electric companies? You get the picture.

I mean, I like the free market like any red-blooded American, but let's not kid ourselves that the nice people at the cable company aren't doing everything they can to wring more money out of you... ending Net Neutrality would effectively lower ISPs to that level.

BUMBLEBEE:a lil help...

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23rd Nov 2017, 1:44 AM #11
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Thank you very much! Even though I feel that there's nothing I / we the people can do. I have no idea whether I voted for them or not, for sure not knowingly, but you know, "the voter has decided" to choose them as "his" rulers, and now they rule.


E-hero Vulven:Net Neutrality, as I understand, is the choice of whether the government or corporations should hold the reigns of your internet service. The lesser evil imo is corporations. Whichever option lets me get spied on the least.

Hope this is satirical. Because companies spying can just lawfully asked to hand over the spying results to the government.

E-hero Vulven:If companies want to gouge prices, the free market should fix things via cheaper competitors.

Hope that's satirical, too, because depending on the area you live in, you may or may not have much choice of providers. And because every one of them wants a piece of the cake, they all will do it, so even the little choice you may have won't help. As Chippewa Ghost just pointed out.


Chippewa Ghost:I mean, I like the free market like any red-blooded American,

I'm not an American and I don't like a "free" market at all, or rather, I prefer a well-regulated (if not highly-regulated) market over a "free" one. Because said "freedom" is only the freedom of the companies to do whatever they want, exactly to the limit they can stretch the laws to. Leaving the customers as much "freedom" as a voter has who can only vote for a bunch of parties that will all do the same thing. Striked-through because that's probably a theme for another thread.

Chippewa Ghost:but let's not kid ourselves that the nice people at the cable company aren't doing everything they can to wring more money out of you... ending Net Neutrality would effectively lower ISPs to that level.

That, exactly!
23rd Nov 2017, 2:49 AM #12
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Do they accept votes from non-US residents?
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23rd Nov 2017, 3:21 AM #13
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If they have a US Citizenship, then yes. What sucks is that anyone who's a felon (5.8 million people), people without an ID, those living in Washington DC, and those who are mentally disabled can't vote.
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"Net Neutrality = Bandwidth Equality", 23rd Nov 2017, 7:11 PM #14
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E-hero Vulven:Net Neutrality, as I understand, is the choice of whether the government or corporations should hold the reigns of your internet

Wrong, it is a choice between of having your reigns on your internet bandwidth V.S. letting your telcos have it.

Government's intervention on which service you cannot use, or who has right to read/spy on your data, are managed in different laws, unrelated to this FCC policy.

When neutrality is in place, say, if you use Google Fiber internet but prefer to use Vimeo or Nicovideo rather than their YouTube, Google has no right to block or sabotage you when using them.

However, if neutrality is gone, they are free to do whatever they please. Google Fiber will block Vimeo and other services, Verizon will sabotage Netflix and alike (they are already doing it, but not too openly), and many more to come to the telcos near you.

- How many telcos one can choose from?
- And how you are going to guarantee there would be one available that will not block or sabotage (a set of service that you rely on)?

Having net neutrality, or not having it, will not fix your government's spying problem. But having neutrality will fix your connection speed problem, or at least prevent it from going downhill.
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23rd Nov 2017, 8:47 PM #16
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E-hero Vulven:Net Neutrality, as I understand, is the choice of whether the government or corporations should hold the reigns of your internet service. The lesser evil imo is corporations. Whichever option lets me get spied on the least. If companies want to gouge prices, the free market should fix things via cheaper competitors.


When has that ever worked?
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26th Nov 2017, 4:45 AM #17
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ChristianRepass:If they have a US Citizenship, then yes.

Which sadly doesn't include me or I'd add my vote.
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26th Nov 2017, 5:54 AM #18
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Free market competition sure brings the price of petrol down....right.

There's no way 4 or 5 companies get together and agree what to charge. (This is exactly what happens in Australia, nobody can stop them)
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26th Nov 2017, 7:14 AM #19
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Yeah the free market idea only really works with commodities that have elastic demand. What's elastic demand? It means it's something you can choose not to buy. It's the opposite of something like "immediate heart surgery", which is why the 'free market' is also terrible for health-care.

The internet is no longer something you can choose not to buy. Try getting a job or running a business without internet. You might have been able to do that in 1997, but you would have seemed really out of touch. Twenty years later, in 2017 it is no longer optional. The demand is no longer elastic, you need the internet in 20th century America to function in society.

It's hard to over emphasize how badly this will screw up the internet if it happens.
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27th Nov 2017, 10:06 PM #20
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You know what the saddest thing is, I didn't even vote for any of the people doing this. Don't get to. Don't even know who they are. At least America had a choice.


The majority of Dutch people will vote against the infamous Sleepnet law in the upcoming law, but an important government guy (Sybrand van Haersma Buma, the guy my parents voted for purely because he's of the same religion as them) has already said the government won't acknowledge the outcome if it doesn't fit the government's plan.

It's a ridiculous law. It'll add even more data to the pile the AIVD (Dutch version of the CIA) and the Ministry of Justice and Security has to sift through and they don't have the manpower to do so.
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