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"Brainstorming", 12 days ago, 1:46 AM #1
lirvilas
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Mirrors be great, but I want to drive up traffic to this site.

Tell me your ideas.
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12 days ago, 2:40 AM #2
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maybe a fake political campaign
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12 days ago, 2:49 AM #3
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Maybe a contest of some kind? We have collabs which help get you traffic, but contests are fun too.
12 days ago, 3:05 AM #4
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Kyo:maybe a fake political campaign


Soooo... does that mean I can use that Instagram/Facebook ad scheme we were talking about if Zuckerberg decides to run for President?
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12 days ago, 3:18 AM #5
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one of us should post our crybaby manifesto on the forums here and then commit a crime so that people will come to the site wondering what kind of inbred psychos we foster here
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12 days ago, 3:29 AM #6
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But seriously, maybe a contest could help people get traffic. When the Duck hosted a beauty pageant, it brought people together and drew attention. Maybe we could do something similar here? Maybe a... Comic Fury pet show? Since Comic Fury's symbol is an animal.
12 days ago, 4:04 AM #7
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like kelty said but different, someone just needs to get famous and go on Ellen and tell the world where they got their start

alternatively, you could just be the change you want to be and tell all your friends and family and tell them to tell their friends infinitum
12 days ago, 4:39 AM #8
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I mean, I'd say the core problem is we don't need more creators, we need more browsers, which is hard for a couple of reasons

-Comics here don't really have a 'brand', so there's no 'come here for you BL' or 'come here for your gritty action' or 'come here for daily funies'

-Along with no quality meter, we're not really set up to have Big Names that stay on the front page

-Lots of big sites right now are apps instead of sites

And I don't think any of these should change. This site is very open to just... letting creators of any level interact on the same level. So I don't really know what we can offer browsers. Here would be my spaghetti for the wall

-Add more creator support in the form of advice, tutorials, etc and double down on being a place that supports creators
-Emphasize options to browse by genre

I've been thinking about what would add fan appeal, but the problem is, there aren't many generic Webcomic Fans. Most people want to share recs in a genre, or be in the community for a popular artist, but a general webcomic forum tends to attract creators more than fans.

So... what can we give fans that Tapas or Webtoon or SmackJeeves isn't doing? What kind of contests would fans want? I think one option is for those of us with mirrors to create AMA's, fan contests, and other fan attractors on the forums here and advertise them on our mirrors.
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12 days ago, 4:50 AM #9
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Spitballin':

-Outreach to art programs--secondary or post secondary--touting this place as a hosting site for their students?
-Having some sort of support/easy linking for web rings/collectives/"related comics" built into the template codes
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12 days ago, 4:55 AM #10
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to make a non-shitpost contribution here, one thing I was thinking about doing was replacing the now defunct voluntary ads with just a banner that links back to comicfury itself. Since the comics aren't really very obviously branded as belonging to the site, it would help sort of circulate viewers who come for comics that are hosted here onto the site itself, and thus also ultimately other comics that are hosted here (without interfering with peoples comics if they don't want that).

I'm not really sure what the best version of such a banner would look like, so if anyone has any ideas in that regard, or even wants to have a go at making one that I may (or may not, to cover my ass here) then use, that'd be pretty dope. It should be the same format as the project wonderful banner was (468x60, I believe)
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12 days ago, 5:01 AM #11
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swamp:-Lots of big sites right now are apps instead of sites


The description I've heard is "walled gardens".

edit: and having no shareholder requirement to keep visitors inside one is probably something that can be leveraged.
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12 days ago, 5:05 AM #12
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swamp:I mean, I'd say the core problem is we don't need more creators, we need more browsers, which is hard for a couple of reasons

-Comics here don't really have a 'brand', so there's no 'come here for you BL' or 'come here for your gritty action' or 'come here for daily funies'


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porn and adult comics

Not that everyone here necessarily wants that as the ~face~ of the website, but that is a really big draw for a lot of people to host comics here.
keltyzoid!:one of us should post our crybaby manifesto on the forums here and then commit a crime so that people will come to the site wondering what kind of inbred psychos we foster here

Can I eat people to bring people here?
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12 days ago, 5:22 AM #13
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I might be willing to do AMAs, pitch in contest rewards etc if I have something to give, as long as I get something in the deal. Something like a CF collective? We could form some based on their genre(s) or content. Instead of doing promotion for Crossing-Over by myself, I'd prefer delegating and collaborating.
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12 days ago, 5:30 AM #14
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Dittoing Vulven. I'm also willing to contribute something (possibly monetary) if there's something in it for me.

I would personally like something similar to groups/collectives, but with the option for people to create and manage their own collectives, of course under the same rules that CF has.
For example, a horror collective might be too broad a group and you can throw in so many different comics under 1 genre, where as you can get into more niche groups with the ability to create your own collectives, while associating with like-minded comics.
Let's say your collective is an all-ages content group, but someone misunderstands and joins in with a very raunchy comic, but there's not really anything you can do about it until it gets reported to the mods.

There's also the issue of this sort of thing being spammed to hell or taken advantage of it's a free-reign thing.
Ideally there'd be some review process unless it's an invite-only or mutual agreement thing instead of letting people go ham wild.

I hope that makes sense. :^s
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12 days ago, 9:41 AM #15
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I see multiple problems and for every PRO you get the opposing CON.

1) Open and free (as in anybody can post) gets you an open place to share your work(s), but that also means no quality meter and two or three wacked comics in a row brings the whole level down and NO ONE wants to sift through 12 early-in comics to find a really established one.

2) Open lets anybody post and open means no company can sign on and sponsor or support or combine branding when suddenly some real objectionable content gets linked to their image.

3) As a creator, it'd be nice (for the site) if everyone brought TEN readers to the site.
10. That's a small number, but imagine if EVERY Person with an active comic got ten of their friends and associates to check out the comics...The downside if that it splits the audience and all that traffic might not (probably won't) migrate to your own comic. Which is why most artists, build their traffic off of a community [system] and then aim for exclusive outlets, their own site and such.

4) To advertise (FOR NEW READERS) you'd have to advertise an actual comic, which means it's back to the 'sponsored title' thing and that involves contracts and binding agreements and such. How would like to see titles stickied to the front page and advertised between the pages of your comic? Could happen.

5) A break out title would be nice to see, but to break out, they'd have to make money here or gain such a massive following that it enabled them to make money someplace else. And for most creators (the popular ones) they see value in what THEY CREATE so they'd be just as likely to turn around and say THEY MADE COMIC FURY better than Comic Fury gave them their start. Celebrities rarely mention that first acting school or acting coach. They tend to mention the director who gave them a chance. Which means they GOT SOMETHING that boosted their career. Being able to share your comic for free isn't the start of a career.

I'd like to see the owner of Comic Fury (or the thems) make tons of money and travel and meet fans and have a wonderful life. I also know to really make money, you're going to have to split the audience and upset some folks. It's an impossible balancing act to please everybody.

I would pay for a PREMIUM account (now) that gave me a bunch of awesome features.
[not that I can think of any new features aside from better social media integration and more choices for page layouts] I would go for it, but that would upset those that can't afford it or don't think it's a good idea for the artform and every other 'keep the art from the heart' attitude. It's a tough gamble.
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12 days ago, 10:11 AM #16
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porn and adult comics


Again, I think it draws more creators than readers because we aren't Specific Porn. Most of the big porn comic sites tend to target a specific tone and audience, while as creators, there's a draw to find a host that lets you have creative freedom, so instead of being like "Harlequin style porn" or "furry porn", but "porn that wasn't a good fit for a niche site", and I certainly wouldn't want our draw to be 'find the weird porn you won't find somewhere else!', especially since I'm pretty sure we would then turn into a site for one specific fetish crowd or another.

I will probably at some point direct mirrors back here. I'd love to do some requests/contests, and I don't want to try to manage them on the disaster that is comment sections, so might hub that here, and see if people bite and maybe get an account here and explore a bit.

I also think it could be fun to get some polished, reasonably long, and ongoing works featured, maybe in a front page banner, but I don't think the forums would be the best place to organize that since I feel like fellow forum goers and already well known comics would rise to the top and people would slag it as a popularity contest.

One of the great things about comicfury is that there's a sense that anyone, from "first time using mspaint" to "professional" can post here, but I do think, in terms of pure clicks, our front page is a turnoff to readers, who tend to click for polish, not look around for something they like. On the other hand, I'd be really sad to see non Site Favored Works get buried like they do on tapas, but a sleek banner at the top with a range of polished and active comics might do us a solid
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12 days ago, 12:51 PM #17
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Brainstorming:

-A prominently featured "community calendar". Should not be limited to CF events. Have it be user-inputed, user-ranked (by "likes" or some voting equivalent), a place for creators regardless of platform to check up on others' goings on.

-A self-designated "red light district".

-Straight up external links to alumni who have moved on, e.g. Black Brick Road of Oz, Bicycle Boy, Kay and P...
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12 days ago, 8:07 PM #18
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We should start a turf war with another hosting site like the NWO did back in the 90's.

I call being Scott Hall.
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12 days ago, 9:22 PM #19
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Thoughts from the boss:

I mean my thing is really mostly just that I really don't like advertisements and I also don't like websites where it feels like this weird plutocratic class system. I mean, like, I get it, y'know, peeps gotta finance themselves somehow, but all the options for doing that just mostly seem so awful in terms of what it does to a website. I mean look at the dumpster fire youtube is, now that they're trying to get everyone in on earning money through the site. Back in the day it was all about passion. money just sort of inherently is this corrosive force because it shifts the incentives in generally negative ways.


This community is something unique. How does it thrive in an age of walled gardens, of big sites with apps and unlimited promo money?

Merged Doublepost:

Kyo, can you track new users? Can they be given a customized welcome?
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11 days ago, 3:02 AM #20
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Okay, guess that's a no from the Master Gator. Still, I'm open to team ups promotionwise. My tags would be PG-13, Superhero, Action, Furry/Anthro.
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