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"I wanna invest in a screen tablet", 11 days ago, 8:19 PM #1
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maybe i should invest in a screen tablet someday. i feel like it takes years to get a comic page done so i might as well invest in something i can actually see. wacom recently announced a new tablet called the cintiq 16hd which is a 600 dollar tablet which...i could kinda afford....if i do a shit ton of porn commissions or some shit. hell, maybe enough to afford the higher end 16 inch models.


i feel like i'm not happy with my intuos. i find it kinda frustrating for line work and the lack of documentation on digital painting in clip studio makes it hard to use it for painting things. so i just gave up and scream to my parents to buy it during the summer. (or i get it myself saying it's for college)


so should i? i know alternatives exist but i'm too paranoid that i might get parallax or it might not be compatible with my clip studio paint.
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11 days ago, 8:31 PM #2
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xppen just came out with a 15 incher for like 400 or so. their largest screen tablet is less than 1k.
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11 days ago, 8:56 PM #3
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ewolf20:i could kinda afford....if i do a shit ton of porn commissions or some shit.


I like how drawing porn is the ultimate answer to everything. I may actually try this.
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11 days ago, 8:57 PM #4
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keltyzoid!:xppen just came out with a 15 incher for like 400 or so. their largest screen tablet is less than 1k.


some video comparing the two said some things about it that dissuade me from buying it...even if the video was kinda false in some areas. again i just wanna know if it's compatible with clip studio cuz i heard nightmares about some screen tablets ONLY working in photoshop. everything else suffers. again just paranoid with alternatives.

if you wanna know why here's some vids





again they're very bias so naturally i took them as a grain a salt. if all else fails i can invest in a xp pen tablet.
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11 days ago, 9:04 PM #5
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I've got a Surface Pro and a Wacom Mobile Studio, and I'd actually recommend the Surface over the Wacom, unless you don't care about portability (which is nice when you want to draw on vacation away from home)
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11 days ago, 9:16 PM #6
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I prefer my Cintiq companion but my iPad has been really useful. It's a cheaper alternative and clip studio paint is compatable. I just think you have to buy it again.
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10 days ago, 1:17 AM #7
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I use a cintiq 13hd. It really does make the process go faster, especially inking. That said, the cintiq alternatives are really quite good now, and if mine broke and I had to buy another - I'd get a big XPPen screen and call it a day.
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10 days ago, 2:13 AM #8
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ewolf20:so should i?

A screen tablet is great, I definitely endorse getting one.

When I was first using entry level stuff, using a tablet without a screen was pretty rough because drawing while looking at a separate monitor felt too foreign and I could never get used to it. It made me scared to drop the money on a screen tablet, I eventually took the plunge one day on a whim and upgraded to a Cintiq 13HD. Drawing on a tablet with an actual screen was like night and day and I loved it. Just make sure that your computer meets the minimum specs for whatever you get, unless you get something self sustaining like an iPad or a Surface.
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10 days ago, 3:35 AM #9
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GabbyGood:I prefer my Cintiq companion but my iPad has been really useful. It's a cheaper alternative and clip studio paint is compatable. I just think you have to buy it again.


I have CSP running on three machines based on my original purchase of MS5. All Windows, though, maybe mixing and matching would require a new purchase.
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10 days ago, 3:42 AM #10
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ewolf20:some video comparing the two said some things about it that dissuade me from buying it...even if the video was kinda false in some areas. again i just wanna know if it's compatible with clip studio cuz i heard nightmares about some screen tablets ONLY working in photoshop. everything else suffers. again just paranoid with alternatives.


The Professor uses an XPPen artist 13.3 with Clip Studio Pro, so no worries there.
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10 days ago, 4:08 AM #11
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ewolf20:maybe i should invest in a screen tablet someday. i feel like it takes years to get a comic page done so i might as well invest in something i can actually see. wacom recently announced a new tablet called the cintiq 16hd which is a 600 dollar tablet which...i could kinda afford....if i do a shit ton of porn commissions or some shit. hell, maybe enough to afford the higher end 16 inch models.


i feel like i'm not happy with my intuos. i find it kinda frustrating for line work and the lack of documentation on digital painting in clip studio makes it hard to use it for painting things. so i just gave up and scream to my parents to buy it during the summer. (or i get it myself saying it's for college)


so should i? i know alternatives exist but i'm too paranoid that i might get parallax or it might not be compatible with my clip studio paint.


Ok, as a guy who owns multiple tablets, I'm gonna give you my input.

You do not have to have a Cintiq tablet. Certinally Cintiq has some fantastic tech in thier tablets, but that is because for a long time, Wacom held what is essentially a monopoly over the tablets market. They patented key tech necessary to make good tablets, and go to great lengths to make sure those patents are protected. Lets just say there is a reason only Wacom has Non chargable pens.



Pen displays have gotten better with recent years. For instance, another tablet I have is the Gaomon PD1560 from recent Chinese chapion company Gaomon. They are know for thier reliable drivers and dispite the tablet perfoming to satesfactory levels, it is less than 400 dollars for a 15.6 inch screen



You seem to be familiar with XP-Pen, but there are a plethora of tablets that can compete with even Wacom when it comes to quality.

Also, you don't necessarily even need a pen tablet, as the surface pro 4 and 3 all have reliable drawing capabilities as well and they are much cheaper than a Wacom tablet.







Do not be fooled by the pen tablet giant Wacom. The only real hugely sizable advantage Wacom offers is in display, and while it can be something to look for, it is not a deal breaker. Wacom themselves have taken to releasing a 600 dollar Cintiq alternative since their competition has been stepping up their game and they know it.


Also, all of these tablets are compatible with Clip Studio Paint. You literally have to try to find a tablet that only works with Photoshop, who would want to buy such a thing?

Be wary of bias opinions. Bias is never reliable, always trust facts before bias.
10 days ago, 5:19 AM #12
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I wanna ask, do you use pen tilt? Or the eraser buttom? Since that's really why I can't seem to give some of the competitors a chance. Some of the brushes I use depend on it sooo, xp pen is close enough for me at least...

Like the thing that always peeves me is I see so many people using these big industry software and hardware that I feel left out all and super frustrated. I feel like that's Th r main reason why I'm so reluctant on working my comic. At average, some art last me hours and the fact that I have to work a hundred hours fees like a turn off for me. So, I thought getting a screen tablet would make it quicker and more dynamic.
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10 days ago, 5:25 AM #13
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I use a Surface Pro 4. The main issue I have with it is the small screen size. It has a very high resolution screen, it's a complete computer so it's portable and no wire issues, it has minimal parallax and practically no lag time, etc, etc. It does not support brush-tilt or barrel-rotation, but after a period of adaptation I'm used to that now.

I've used a 22" Cintiq, and while it was great in many ways, it had much more lag and a rather low rez display- only 1080p I believe. It was uncomfortably low for a screen that size.

I will say that CSP is probably a lot easier to learn/use on a big Wacom- I find the tiny icons really difficult to deal with sometimes. But overall, the SP 4 is a pretty good choice.
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10 days ago, 5:40 AM #14
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ewolf20:I wanna ask, do you use pen tilt? Or the eraser buttom? Since that's really why I can't seem to give some of the competitors a chance. Some of the brushes I use depend on it sooo, xp pen is close enough for me at least...

Like the thing that always peeves me is I see so many people using these big industry software and hardware that I feel left out all and super frustrated. I feel like that's Th r main reason why I'm so reluctant on working my comic. At average, some art last me hours and the fact that I have to work a hundred hours fees like a turn off for me. So, I thought getting a screen tablet would make it quicker and more dynamic.


I don't, I find it hilarious that the eraser button is even a thing, this electronic pen pretending to be a pencil, lol. I prefer the nib because it's smaller and I can use the eraser more effectively, but if you want to use the eraser button, there are still a few other alternatives.

Typically, I simply use the eraser tool that comes with the program and erase using the pen nib, although it depends on what you want to do.

Ultimately, I believe pressure sensitivity is much more important than pen tilt. However, you seem to need pen tilt, sadly no competitors offer this feature yet, although Huion is working on getting tilt tech into their pens as early as 2021, lol at least they are trying.

You don't really have to use big name products and software, the appeal of having everyone except you have these things and making it seem as though you need these things in order to be good is the oldest marketing trick in the book. I have a Cintiq, it is true, but I bought it at a time when I was in the army and had money to burn. I bought the Gaomon for other reasons, and honestly I hardly can tell a difference between the two. However, I am not at all particularly technical or picky. As long as it makes lines on my computer, I can be satisfied with it, lol.

Investing in a tablet is definately reccomended, and don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you shouldn't get a Wacom tablet. If you have the money, shoot for it, they make very good tablets. But you also don't have to feel like a lesser artist for using lesser artist for using lesser known brands.


It ultimately depends on what you are looking for. If you just want your tablet to make lineart, there is no reason to go broke on a Wacom tablet. But if you are seeking more technical features, maybe wacom is the best bet.


You can also look into laptop pen displays like the surface pros.
10 days ago, 8:59 AM #15
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I bought a Huion Kamvass Pro 13, which is their answer to the Wacom Cintiq Pro 13 and... gosh I wish I'd made the switch years ago. I'm not going to get back the hours and hours of the prior decade that I spent slaving over a non-screen tablet. It's just so much faster, my lineart is so much looser, it's brilliant. It was a bit of a big scary purchase for someone who doesn't make much money from art, but I figure that lots of people have to buy a one-off large piece of equipment for a hobby, and I make a tiny bit of money which adds up over time.

I don't know how it compares to a Wacom screen tablet as I've never used one. It has a laminated screen so there is very little parallax, but I've found that the calibration on mine can be a little skewey at the edges of the screen (it might be that I need to set it up and calibrate it better). The pen doesn't have a battery in so it's nice and light, the nib more "clicky" than Wacom but thats neither here nor there.There are also touch keys which are really useful for constantly hitting Ctrl-Z ;D

The drawing size is on the small side, I had to fiddle around with the scale settings on my PC to maximise the drawing area, but once I invested in a proper easel/stand it didn't really matter. I found that the stand that came with it didn't give the tablet enough height. It's nice having something portable though, if I want to take it outside to work in my garden or travel with it, I can.

Also worth noting it has tilt recognition, although I'm still getting my head around using it!
There has been a little bit of a learning curve in general after 10+ years using non-screen tablets.

So yeah, I think that's one worth looking into since it's on the lower end financially for what you get out of it. I'm sure it's not perfect, but it's been brilliant for me.

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mightguy15:
Ultimately, I believe pressure sensitivity is much more important than pen tilt. However, you seem to need pen tilt, sadly no competitors offer this feature yet, although Huion is working on getting tilt tech into their pens as early as 2021, lol at least they are trying.


Huion says that a bunch of their range do have tilt support, they give a list at the bottom of this page.

Don't know how it holds up to Wacom, mind you!
10 days ago, 10:11 AM #16
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Leafa:I bought a Huion Kamvass Pro 13, which is their answer to the Wacom Cintiq Pro 13 and... gosh I wish I'd made the switch years ago. I'm not going to get back the hours and hours of the prior decade that I spent slaving over a non-screen tablet. It's just so much faster, my lineart is so much looser, it's brilliant. It was a bit of a big scary purchase for someone who doesn't make much money from art, but I figure that lots of people have to buy a one-off large piece of equipment for a hobby, and I make a tiny bit of money which adds up over time.

I don't know how it compares to a Wacom screen tablet as I've never used one. It has a laminated screen so there is very little parallax, but I've found that the calibration on mine can be a little skewey at the edges of the screen (it might be that I need to set it up and calibrate it better). The pen doesn't have a battery in so it's nice and light, the nib more "clicky" than Wacom but thats neither here nor there.There are also touch keys which are really useful for constantly hitting Ctrl-Z ;D

The drawing size is on the small side, I had to fiddle around with the scale settings on my PC to maximise the drawing area, but once I invested in a proper easel/stand it didn't really matter. I found that the stand that came with it didn't give the tablet enough height. It's nice having something portable though, if I want to take it outside to work in my garden or travel with it, I can.

Also worth noting it has tilt recognition, although I'm still getting my head around using it!
There has been a little bit of a learning curve in general after 10+ years using non-screen tablets.

So yeah, I think that's one worth looking into since it's on the lower end financially for what you get out of it. I'm sure it's not perfect, but it's been brilliant for me.

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Huion says that a bunch of their range do have tilt support, they give a list at the bottom of this page.

Don't know how it holds up to Wacom, mind you!


Aren't all of those models screenless?
10 days ago, 2:12 PM #17
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They're latest wacom item is like 600 dollars.

Also, huion recently been adding tilt support to some screen tablets. Just Google it and search videos for it. The one that interested was they're 19 inch model which recently got said feature. (It's 40 dollars less than the wacom cintiq 16).

But again, horror stories about these screen tablets always keep scaring me away from buying them. And again, I'm k me of the people who cares about tilt since I find it comfortable to tilt my pen. But what do I know, most of what I said was stupid and dumb spoiled brat so I don't know any better.


Edit: also, I do use the nib as a eraser by just turning the tool I'm using into one. Clip studio does this if you click on the transparency thing under the main and secondary colors. That's the closest had to not using the eraser end of my pen. Regardless, I could careless of a alternative lacks an eraser. I care more about pressure sensitivity and tilt.
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10 days ago, 2:46 PM #18
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mightguy15:However, you seem to need pen tilt, sadly no competitors offer this feature yet

Oh yeah, some of XP-Pen's newer models seem to come with tilt, as well (This one might be the only one, actually 15.6 Pro )

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Saying this as someone who's only experienced using non-screen tablets until very recently, I can't say having a screen will be a major life-changing wonder. I've fantasized for years about having a screen tablet, and now that I finally got one, I really love it (yay for competition lowering prices!), but since I was already so used to non-screen tablets, the difference between them wasn't actually night and day! It was more like... morning and afternoon? :'D

I just don't want you to let a lack of a certain tool get you down and discourage you. If you know your way around a non-screen tablet, the screen will be nice, but in the end, it's another tool you'll have to adjust to and the time you save may not be quite as dramatic as you think. And don't feel like you're some "stupid dumb spoiled brat" about any of this. It's perfectly fine to want to explore your options and invest in better tools, but while you're saving up, enjoy the the tools you have, because it certainly beats having to draw with a mouse! lol
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10 days ago, 3:29 PM #19
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Idk, I have very expensive taste when it comes to a lot of things.
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