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"The political party currently leading Britain's election polls is dangerous", 13 days ago, 10:51 PM #1
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I'm talking about the Brexit Party. It's led by Nigel Farage who you probably heard of the first time round 3 years ago if you're non-British, but this time he's ramped up his tone even further and is beginning to resemble a fascist dictator in what he says. The latest EU Election (to be held in the UK next Thursday and next Sunday across the rest of Europe) opinion polls place his party at 34%, and the pattern has shown the party's score as having slowly crept up across the past three weeks, so it could go even higher.

I read a Guardian article highlighting the potential dangers of the party, focusing on a speech given in a Yorkshire town earlier today, and there was some extremely dodgy stuff said. A number of the speakers branded mainstream British politicians as "traitors of the people", and Nigel said the following quotes which are quite disturbing in my opinion:

"We can do so much better as a nation"

"We will be diminished as a people and as a nation"

"We need fundamental, radical change and transformation in the way we do politics in this country"

"We will no longer see our great nation humiliated by the rest of the world"

All four of these are things that Hitler said in the early 1930s, almost word for word if you account for translation. The slogan of the party is also "CHANGE POLITICS FOR GOOD." which could imply turning Britain into a one party state once his party takes power. On top of this, Farage said yesterday that he would never release a manifesto as he believes they are "another word for a lie that does not go in the interest of the people" and said that he will only unveil his party's basic beliefs aside from Brexit after the EU elections. He has also recently spoken support for antisemitic views and has near-total control over his party.

Since the start of the campaign he has been gradually getting shoutier and more and more reminiscent of some of the authoritarian leaders of the 1930s, and yet his party currently scores at more than a third on the opinion poll, which is more than the current Tory and Labour scores combined. I'll be voting for the Lib-Dems next week though.

Here is the speech I was talking about below. The part that I find particularly worrying is at about 1:10:30 :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIO9xsU9agg

And he's a complete hypocrite, denying things he said in his "softer" first time round:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHVCdu_QY1U
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13 days ago, 10:55 PM #2
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I dislike Farage as much as the next person, but are you sure about this? I was following the results of the recent election and it seemed to me the parties who did the best were the anti brexit ones, lib dems, greens and independants.

This definitely doesn't sound good, but if he was a plausible possiblility/threat, I'm sure this thread wouldn't be the first I'd heard about it.
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13 days ago, 10:59 PM #3
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The Lib Dems are currently in third place at 12% ahead of the Tories, while Change UK have only 3% due to a lack of image and limited policies.

Farage is essentially a 2010s version of Oswald Mosley. Mosley originally formed The New Party as an alternative to the three main parties in about 1930, which was a failure, and returned a couple of years later to form the British Union which he led until it was banned during WWII. Farage feels pretty similar, and the Brexit Party logo could even be interpreted as a fascist symbol - an arrow in a circle. Obviously his party lacks the paramilitary appearance of the 1930s nationalist movements however some of the underlying tactics are very similar.
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13 days ago, 11:35 PM #4
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I don't know if Farage is a fascist or not, but I think when people in government refuse to do what the voters tell them, they might as well be fascists. Brits voted for Brexit, and their government decided that they are not ready for democracy, despite being eager to impose democracy on Iran, Syria and Venezuela. If you do that kind of crap, you can't whine when you get a Farage.

In the US we have a president who is wildly unpopular with the adherents of the other party- so they say, "He's not my president," some of them call for his assassination, and there has been a three-year campaign to bring him down over nonsense accusations. Whatever you think of Trump, and I don't like him, that's not how democracy works, darling. You don't get to proclaim that you believe in democracy right up until the day somebody you don't like wins in the system you've been supporting all along. I mean, you can, but the real message there is that you don't believe in democracy unless you get your way, and there's no reason for other people to support that kind of democracy. So, don't be surprised if you stop having democracy altogether at that point.
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I think there was alleged rigging through dodgy campaign funding sources and the result was extremely close which has given strong arguments for a second referendum.
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13 days ago, 11:41 PM #6
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It's funny how often and how firmly people say that Brits voted for Brexit when almost half of us did not, and I highly doubt the results would be in favour of Brexit if the referendum was held now instead of then. Your patronising tone is not appreciated.
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13 days ago, 11:58 PM #7
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I'd liken Farage to a messy dog turd, but that's being cruel to dog turds
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I mean, Farage is a stooge, but...

What exactly is the effect that the Brexit party intends to have on this legislative body (the EU Parliament) it is seeking to depart?

This isn't exactly the British Parliament we are talking about.
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Brexit won't happen. The bigheads can't agree on a deal and the higher powers will just extend the deadline to keep UK in. I wish I could get unlimited extensions for my projects and work assignments. What makes Nige more threatening than Teresa May?
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12 days ago, 12:27 AM #10
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JammyTheBirb:It's funny how often and how firmly people say that Brits voted for Brexit when almost half of us did not, and I highly doubt the results would be in favour of Brexit if the referendum was held now instead of then. Your patronising tone is not appreciated.


Almost half means that Stay lost. That's how democracy works. As for do-overs, it's fine with me, if you all have some reasonably consistent rule for that. The thing is, though, that elections are held when they are held, and what you or anyone else doubts doesn't change the outcomes. So, Brits collectively had an election, and between those that voted and those that stayed home, they voted, again collectively, for Brexit. That's how elections work. I don't know what your mechanism may be for holding another referendum, but if the majority really do want to stop Brexit, why haven't they arranged one? If that's how the system works, why aren't you out changing the system?

Yes, I know changing the system is hard. We can't get rid of the Electoral College here, despite people whining about it for my entire lifetime. All I'm saying is that you had a democratic process, it gave a result and your leaders refuse to abide by it. Doesn't come off as very democratic.

Sorry if you think that's patronizing, but I find people who think that their own view is so obviously correct that only an idiot would vote against pretty patronizing, too. It's possible that the other half of your country knows something you don't. Assuming that they are just halfwits gulled by some nasty propagandists hardly respects their agency.

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RJDG14:I think there was alleged rigging through dodgy campaign funding sources and the result was extremely close which has given strong arguments for a second referendum.


What prevents a second referendum?
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JammyTheBirb:It's funny how often and how firmly people say that Brits voted for Brexit when almost half of us did not


But more than half of you did. Thats how democracy works, like it or not whenever theres a big election half the country always loses.
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E-hero Vulven:Brexit won't happen. The bigheads can't agree on a deal and the higher powers will just extend the deadline to keep UK in. I wish I could get unlimited extensions for my projects and work assignments. What makes Nige more threatening than Teresa May?


Are you referring to the Teresa May who fired missiles at Syria? Or the Teresa May who lost all the files on those upper-class pedos? Or the Teresa May who arrested Julian Assange and has him serving fifty weeks in a supermax prison for terrorists for jumping bail on charges that were dropped? Or- well, it doesn't matter, cause I can't answer your question, except to say that Farage appears to appeal to Britain's Deplorables, and we can't have that, can we?
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lirvilas:I mean, Farage is a stooge, but...

What exactly is the effect that the Brexit party intends to have on this legislative body (the EU Parliament) it is seeking to depart?

This isn't exactly the British Parliament we are talking about.


This about sums it up. Even if Britain has another election and stays, EU MEPs have no power to introduce legislation anyway. They just sit down and press buttons, either yes or no on introduced legislation. And sometimes they even press the wrong one.

The Brexit party just looks like a single issue party and that's probably why they don't have a manifesto because they want to keep up the illusion that they're not a single issue party, even though they know that we know they are. But appearances must be maintained.

And all that stuff Farage said about not having a manifesto, he'd turn on a dime when he'd have to. You know, like politicians usually do. He'd previously said there'd be no soft Brexit. Now he's changed his mind.
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Dude. Everything every politician says sounds like something Hitler said. That's because they all talk in the jargon of making their country better and making big changes. You can't point at one guy and say he sound like Hitler without pointing at all of them. You have to look at the intentions. Does Firage want to invade Poland and make a race of supermen?

Some people's idea of fundamental change would be demolishing coal powerplants and building solar farms, but you could still pull out a quote about "fundamental change" and say they sound like Hitler...if you wanted to be hyperbolic and disingenuous.
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I don't think he wants to invade anywhere however some of his language was certainly nationalistic in yesterday's speech, especially the "we as a people are being diminished", which sounds like borderline BNP-talk. He never said that previously.
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RJDG14:I don't think he wants to invade anywhere.


Well that right there makes him less of a fascist than Tony Blair.
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They all sound nationalistic because they all have to sound like they care about the country. Nobody would vote for a guy who didn't give a rat's arse about Britain would they?
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The only way he can get in if people vote for him. If you don't like him, and he is voted in, then you may be part of the minority.

If someone who is a nutter wins an election, then that's because they have the votes to do so. They may not be popular for you, but they are popular for many.
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You live in a country where a twitter insult can result in fine and jail time, you have to have a porn pass to view pornography, and a government that is doing everything they can to not follow the will of the people after losing a vote over 3 years ago.

And this is just whats happened already, You're already pretty close to totalitarianism under government overreach right now dude. I think that's a bigger concern than Farage and his party possibly winning.
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The porn laws are coming into effect from the 15th July. I personally think it should be illegal for them to introduce them and I'm strongly opposed. I also feel you should be allowed to write exactly your own personal views about anything on Twitter unless it specifically targets a certain person. Amazingly up to 90% of the population support the incoming porn laws which I think is utterly crazy as most of the people I've spoken to online are opposed. I'd suggest anyone wanting to view it in the UK after the age verification date (15th July) should simply install a VPN which is entirely legal rather than hand over their personal information.
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