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6 days ago, 1:33 PM #21
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Maybe not completely OT, but guess what Youtube advertised to me today? Scientology.
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6 days ago, 2:03 PM #22
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Yeah, I straight up got an ad (several times) that tried to sell a course on "women's psychology" or something like that and said things like "manipulate women into falling in love with you". Like what the -
Not to mention borderline porn phone-apps.

Either they're not checking the ads they're putting out or someone should be fired.
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6 days ago, 2:50 PM #23
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I often would put a YouTube channel on in the background when cleaning the kitchen. I can't really do that anymore bc of the gd ads unless I bring my whole laptop down. Hard to manipulate through the skip function with wet hands.

I didn't mind a single ad in a longer video but now I get multiple ads even in shorter videos and it's unbearable
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6 days ago, 5:00 PM #24
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Do you know if Vimeo charges for an account? I know Patreon has something with them that you can upload videos I think through Vimeo.


Vimeo has a free option, it has no ads and offers the same services as the paying ones except for a lower data storage limit. They straight up explain how they expect to make money: the free package is going to be enough for casual users, but if you want to get serious you'll need more space. One can change plan in both directions, like if you delete old videos and it would now fit in the free hosting limit, you can get it back.




Edit to add, in the general topic of Youtube ads: Youtube is a site where I have no problem leaving adblock on at all times.
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5 days ago, 7:33 PM #25
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^ Good to know! Thanks for the information.



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5 days ago, 7:53 PM #26
Just found this. At least the Sherman Antitrust Act had not been forgotten since 1890 since Google broke the Sherman Antitrust Act. Just pulling that kind of stuff with ads on YouTube is one example.


For the context, Sherman Antitrust Act was passed in 1890 and was put in use by few presidents (Harrison, Taft, and Teddy Roosevelt). If you're familiar with U.S. history, you might hear about Standard Oil and several monopolies in late 1800s and early 1900s hence the law.
5 days ago, 8:17 PM #27
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Hey, do you know much about the Act? I know a little about the Gilded Age, but regretfully not enough (my forte is more Antebellum & Civil War/1960s/Great Migration, that sort of stuff). Is that the Act that tackles monopolies? (I'm gonna say this relates to the topic, as I think Google and YouTube fall into the monopoly category, and their power over creators and customers is evidence of that).
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5 days ago, 8:33 PM #28
Somewhat. Sherman Act was first of few laws designed to tackle monopolies. The idea behind Sherman Act was to keep companies from exercising anti-competition tactics and break up monopolies. Most familiar of monopolies during late 1800 was Rockefeller's Standard Oil, but some others were Carnegie Steel and Vanderbilt's railroad and steamboats. The government realized that monopolies were getting out of hand and something had to be done, hence the Sherman Act.


I can see Google, YouTube, Disney, Amazon, and some other companies facing the heat from Sherman Act at some point, but the Google lawsuit is a start.
5 days ago, 8:43 PM #29
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Before you could monetise videos the place was full of people creating their own zany short films, parkoir vids, kung fu fights, music videos and a few amature reviews. Now the only interesting thing that survives is the reviews. At least they can be pumped out at the rate that makes monetising viable. Everything else has pretty much gone. Not only because it's not quick enough to make into a daily, monetisable product but because the soundtracks were all content ID'd and removed. All those music videos and shorts with some random 90's backgrond music. BANG gone for infringing on some crappy, pedantic copyright. As if people were watching them to have evenescence songs playing for free.

Oh yea. Let's have lets plays for some reason, oh and did you know dem jews were after you...
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5 days ago, 9:31 PM #30
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I think the real money comes in from the ability to track individuals' data, and handpick which ads to show. Like, I've been helping my grandma do her xmas shopping for my sister, so I'm getting a lot of ads right now for a particular website. If I were to be, say, shopping around among several different retailers, and one really wanted to cinch me as a customer? They just dump more money to google, who puts ads for them on any site I visit- thanks to their algorithm tracking my search history and all the creepy adsense.


I'm not surprised when I see things I looked up on Google show up on YT and vice versa, and I got used to them selling data to Facebook as well. But one thing I didn't like is when it appeared that Discord also collects data that I'd consider to be private, like lifting key words from PM conversations.
I first noticed when one member of a Discord channel was streaming movies and the same movies would be suggested on Youtube on my next visit. Then I had a conversation by private message where I talked about finding black ants in my living room and Youtube suggested the Ants Canada channel on my next visit. Which turned out to be an interesting channel*, but come on, I'd expect privacy in a private message!



*: It *was* an interesting channel but ever since the creator began following the Youtube Academy guidelines it got a lot less so. Like the "you won't believe what happened, watch until the end!" part and the "like comment and subscribe and comment more and again!" part grew until they almost meet in the middle and there's maybe 2 minutes of actual content in 15 minutes of video. Not calling out this creator in particular, every Youtuber has to switch to feeding the algorithm once they get big enough.
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5 days ago, 10:19 PM #31
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^The discord thing is distressing. I used to just use AIM but no one is there anymore (does it even exist? I have no clue).

I am also VERY distraught at how my phone is totally listening. You can't tell me it's not listening. We had to drive across country this summer to help my parents, and I'd check things on my phone at the hotel, and things were were talking about IN THE CAR on the drive would sometimes be advertised on my phone. It is so f*cking unnerving. Or, how you might be talking and suddenly it'll say "I'm sorry, I didn't catch that," but in way did I say "google look up such and such."

I am so disgusted with this uncontrolled mining of my conversations. The companies have become the government nearly, but people seem to be more concerned with the government having too much power than these unchecked, uncontrolled monster-size companies. Really? 'Cause last time I checked, everyone was listening in, not just the gov—which I was against when the Patrio Act was first inacted—and few people are challenging their authority. But I digress into a rant about how we are one step away from ads in projected into our brains and companies sponsoring the year it is (Infinite Jest reference).

Also this:

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The Letter M:Before you could monetise videos the place was full of people creating their own zany short films, parkoir vids, kung fu fights, music videos and a few amature reviews. Now the only interesting thing that survives is the reviews. At least they can be pumped out at the rate that makes monetising viable. Everything else has pretty much gone. Not only because it's not quick enough to make into a daily, monetisable product but because the soundtracks were all content ID'd and removed. All those music videos and shorts with some random 90's backgrond music. BANG gone for infringing on some crappy, pedantic copyright. As if people were watching them to have evenescence songs playing for free.

Oh yea. Let's have lets plays for some reason, oh and did you know dem jews were after you...


I wouldn't say there's no interesting content on YT. I mean, you're right there's tons of uninspired garbage, but I personally watch a lot of art videos, tutorials, and just biographic stuff.

That's part of why I'm pissed off, because I like supporting creators like Proko who do informative podcasts, or 2 Cents, who do videos on finances (they are part of the PBS channel). And independent creators like Kasey Golden (I have learned a lot from her) and Mark Crilley. And I like them because I don't have the money to spend on educational tutorials like Skillshare (which seems like a great site, but I'm not in the place to fork out subscription money).

I mean, if you're depending on their trending, it's probably mostly crap. Definitely agree with that.

I also agree their copyright striking system isn't just broken; IT IS EXTREMELY BIAS AND BROKEN. Larger creators with clout are better equipped to challenge the strikes than smaller creators. And three strikes, and you're out, so contesting a strike can be dangerous, especially if you don't have the numbers to combat whomever is claiming it. That's a whole other thing that needs to be tackled.


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5 days ago, 10:37 PM #32
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I'm too much of a dinosaur for these issues. Phone is a nokia. I have no idea how to use discord because I'm still missing msn...but the google youtube thing really did impact me and I'm still super bitter.

Somebody bought me the google home thing for christmas last year but there's no way I'd plug that listening device in.
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4 days ago, 12:40 AM #33
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Oh hey so an update on Vimeo's alternative:

I just created an account to see if it worked well, and well it seems to function, however there's two drawbacks I found out so far:

- 500 Mb a week looks like a lot on paper, but it's about 20 minutes of low res video. That wasn't misleading on their part, they do say "500Mb a week, 5Gb total" up front, it's just that 500Mb isn't many videos.
- The bit about the free account being almost as good as the paid ones is not really true. There's enough free features to work with, but the site is CONSTANTLY reminding one "look you could be doing *that* if you upgraded your account", it makes edit pages hard to navigate, there's this much clutter. I get you want to *sell* accounts guys, but if you insist to the point of making the site uncomfortable to use, who will want to buy them??


I uploaded TWO videos before reaching the weekly limit and made a tiny playlist, will complete it in the next weeks: It generates little pages for playlists!
That's studying notes, because I'm always extremely entertaining.
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4 days ago, 8:01 AM #34
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Man, the current state of Google (which I was complaining about 10 years ago...I feel vindicated now lol) just makes me want to write walls of words lol.
Same with most big tech/media companies. But I'll refrain from doing it. Let me just say this- if this were 15 years ago, nobody, and I mean literally nobody would be okay with the state of things. Amazon wanting to become a pharmacy so they can mine more of your personal info, Google wanting access to people's medical records, FB using facial recognition tech on everybody , even people who don't have accounts with them, building profiles on everyone, and trying to market social media to little kids, to say nothing of what Youtube and their algorithms do.... you'd get everyone across all persuasions, religions, political ideologies, etc, picking up pitchforks, lol.

I've largely just decided to disconnect from a lot of that stuff. Switch browsers, search engines, delete my social media (even if it affects my comic's reach, oh well! I found that social media sites were mostly just funneling bot traffic- yes, that is ironic- to my site anyway) quit buying media unless I really like it, try to move off Amazon whenever possible (that's tricky because they have AWS), just...stopping supporting these companies as much as I personally can. They're basically designed to funnel your attention away from IRL things, screw over small creators/businesses, and just sell you pointless stuff.

Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
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